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How many harlequins are to many. How many units are two many. Should a person be able to build a Harlequin theme army if they choose. How should that be composed as to avoid to much intimidation and fear.

What would be the friendly set up and composition that could dispell the cry of cheesy?

I know two power gamers that take three units to RTT's all the time. I have managed to beat one and lost to the other. I did not feel sadden by his army composition. I figure with tactics like any other opponent I faced, I eventually beat with minor changes and tactics. So usually do not care how a person styles their army. I remember so army list especially from the older chaos codex that just seem unbeatable and intimidating to face. However, I won just by taking advantage of that army's weakness. Ever army has weaknesses that can and should be exploited.

6 in a falcon is the powergamer preference.

If you wanted to go less cheesy you could always have them hoof it across the board. If genestealers can make CC I don't see why walking quins couldn't, especialy with a shadowseer.

I am not convinced 18 harlies in 3 falcons is the way to go.

6 harlis can be painful.
10 harlies is downright scary. With a shadowseer they are pretty well protected from ranged shooting, and the 5++ save....

I would go 2x10 walking, and 1x6 in falcon to start. I might go all walking after a while to see how it goes.

The biggest problem with 10 harlies, is how easy it is to kill everything on the charge, and be left open to getting shot.

Most people around here go 2 squads of 6 with a shadowseer.

Shadowseer gives them grenades when charging into cover + defense if they accidentally k.o. the squad in 1 round.

10 harlies is almost always overkill. They're almost guaranteed to level the opposing squad in one round, so they lose one of their primary methods of protection, being in CC. Its also extremely easy to get fast moving high shot units into range and kill them. (think tornadoes and mech tau) Their slower movement speed means it also takes at least one more turn before they are charging into cc. (and if they move backwards, your opponent can often stall it out for two turns more) Its also easy for your opponent to screen their good stuff (lootas/devestators) from ground groups by simply throwing cheap squads in the way.

Î take 6 Harlies incl. Shadowseer in a Falcon, and in almost all situations this is enough.
I've seen at the GT an Eldar army with Eldrad, fortuned Avatar, and 8 fortuned Harlies incl. DJ marching across the field. Rather effective...

I would sugest 2 squads of 8 walking and one squad of 6 in a falcon. You can then back them up with jet bikes, shining spears, and/or vypers for support. A jet bike Autarch or Farseer (or both) would work out well for your HQ. You could also include some pathfinders for long range anti infintry power, but I don't think you'll really need it. Just keep everything else shooty and fast. It will overwhelm your opponent with possible targets and ensure a good portion of your units can be brought to bare.

Walking Harlies=easy points. To many vulnerabilities, Tornadoes, deepstrike anything next to them, and even mobile troops getting the drop on them.

wuestenfux wrote:Î take 6 Harlies incl. Shadowseer in a Falcon, and in almost all situations this is enough.
I've seen at the GT an Eldar army with Eldrad, fortuned Avatar, and 8 fortuned Harlies incl. DJ marching across the field. Rather effective...

lol

Crushed that at the GT on Friday.

Not really effective at all.

Stelek wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Î take 6 Harlies incl. Shadowseer in a Falcon, and in almost all situations this is enough.
I've seen at the GT an Eldar army with Eldrad, fortuned Avatar, and 8 fortuned Harlies incl. DJ marching across the field. Rather effective...

lol

Crushed that at the GT on Friday.

Not really effective at all.

Congrats! The player is rather good. I never would play this way.
A costly footslogging core gives the enemy a focus.

Stelek, what did you crush it with? You run so many different lists that it would be useful to know what you used this time. (Yes, even if every one of them could have done the same thing. . . .)

At any rate, I would never field Harlies on foot. A single FotA libby can screw them over so bad (even if he does fail a few attempts due to RoWard), as can minefields. A rerollable 5+ inv is really not enough.

I used my Eldar Jetbike army.

Harlies suck, but on foot they really suck.

9 Guardians without any support essentially annihilated the unit. 3 Shuricannons and 6 Twin-Linked Shuricats.

I ran up, and shot them dead dead dead.

Greater mobility + mass shooting = dead Harlequins.

Of course I should be honest, he wasn't a very good general and was a really lousy sport when his uber unit of death got blown to bits.

I dunno man, someday I'll see Harlies get into close combat.

I never did figure out what that Avatar was there for either.

Were we supposed to shoot it or something?

Wuestenfux, who was good? Certainly not the guy I played against, and not the guy he played in game 4 (they both had the combo, and both armies and their generals were laughable at best.) I saw at least 3 different Eldar armies running Avatar/Eldrad/Harlies on foot.

In my honest opinion, an absolutely horrid combination.

I only saw that combination once in the GT's. I think it was at the Gladiator and if I am not mistaken, it won the Gladiator. Yeah it did. Troy Clifton (?)

He was probably just lucky though.

Darrian

Good? The player is well-known, Leonhard Herbein.
In the qualifying round, he played this Eldar army, with good success.

Well-known is relative. Remember, I'm the bully of nowhere! lol Was he at LV?

He was at the European Championship.
LV? I don't know.