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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/01/02 19:38:27
Subject: Tyranid/Scoring Unit.
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Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine
Terra
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2 quick questions.
Is a Hive tyrant a scoring unit or an independent character? where is that stated in the codex or rule book?
Squadron of 3 sentinels ends game in the following condition:
1 Is immobilzed due to pen hit.
1 Is stunned, cant move or shoot this round.
1 is fully functional.
Rule for counting as scoring unit is 50% or greater of the squadron cannot be Immobilized. DOES the stunned sentinel count as IMMOBILIZED or stunned? and would the unit count as a scoring unit.????
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/01/02 19:43:59
Subject: Re:Tyranid/Scoring Unit.
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Bush? No, Eldar Ranger
stockton, ca aka Da Hood
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tyrant is a MC.
MC's are scoring units, unless they have a special rule saying otherwise.
she is held to the scoring unit rules from the BGB
if 3 tanks are in a squad, 2 have to be not immobilized to make it a scoring unit. stunned does not equal immobilized. that is a seperate result.
and yes that is a scoring unit of walkers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/01/02 20:19:17
Subject: Tyranid/Scoring Unit.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Cherry Hill, NJ
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Unless a model has the "Independent Character" Special rule it is to be treated as a scoring unit. As far as the Tyrant he is a MC and will score until under 1/2 wounds.
Unless a vehicle has received the immobilized it is still a scoring unit regardless off any other effect is suffers (If its destroyed it is still destroyed).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/01/02 22:31:03
Subject: Tyranid/Scoring Unit.
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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The preceding are correct.
A Hive Tyrant is defined in the Tyranid Codex as a Monstrous Creature.
The scoring/victory points table in the rulebook tells us that an MC is a scoring unit until under half its starting wounds.
In the old 3rd edition Tyranid Codex, a Tyrant was defined as a Tyranid Monstrous Creature, which was a special type of model which combined some of the rules for Independent Characters and some of the rules that would become a new unit category in 4th edition, the Monstrous Creature.
When 4th edition came out, the appendix chart in the back of the book updated the list to tell us that a Tyrant now counted as the new unit type "Monstrous Creature", with all the applicable rules.
And of course, when the 4th ed (current) Tyranid codex came out, they got rid of the special "Tyranid Monstrous Creature", and just classified Tyrants and Carnies as regular Monstrous Creatures, as well as Tyranids, so they get all the special rules for both types of units.
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"Immobilized" is a specific damage result on the chart. A Stunned vehicle cannot move in the following turn, but it is not Immobilized, and thus is still scoring (or counts toward whether the unit is scoring, for a vehicle squadron) if it's just Stunned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/01/03 03:38:22
Subject: Re:Tyranid/Scoring Unit.
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Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine
Terra
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Ok good, thanks all. I feel better that we handled those situations correctly last game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/01/03 15:47:54
Subject: Tyranid/Scoring Unit.
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Mannahnin wrote:The preceding are correct.
A Hive Tyrant is defined in the Tyranid Codex as a Monstrous Creature.
The scoring/victory points table in the rulebook tells us that an MC is a scoring unit until under half its starting wounds.
Just a little bit of being picky here. It doesn't say a Monstrous Creature is a scoring unit, it says a non-vehicle unit (which includes Monstrous Creatures, Infantry, etc etc) is a scoring unit and that the UNIT must be at 50% strength to be a scoring unit. This is important if the Hive Tyrant has Tyrant Guard, since the group is a unit and they must be at 50% or more of their starting wounds to be a scoring unit. Tyrant with three Guard, all Guard die, Tyrant is NOT a swcoring unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/01/04 00:37:39
Subject: Tyranid/Scoring Unit.
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Yellin' Yoof
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Or if a lone Tyrant is under half it's wounds I believe it isn't a scoring unit as well. I don't have the BGB in front of me so I may be wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/01/04 01:55:27
Subject: Tyranid/Scoring Unit.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Cherry Hill, NJ
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Gannon you are correct, any unit (including a single multiple wound model) is no longer scoring once is goes below 1/2 of its starting wounds (not models).
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