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I just started an ork army and i really like all the mobility it offers and i was reading about nobz. Now a 20 pt ork with a 6+ sv seems a litlle much but ws 5 with the banner str5, I4, and 5 attacks on the charge plus 2w and feel no pain with the painboy.
(If you really want to go crazy give them all pks )
I run a biker boss so i can take them as a troop choice which is a bouns but doesnt sell'em to me yet. The thing that always holds me back is that for the price of a nob i can take 3 boyz so not sure if its a good idea to take 10 nobz (200) with a pain boy(30) banner(15) and a trukk(35) 280 total with taking the trukk bare bones which wont happen. Even a full squad of stormboyz with a nob and pk is 5 pts cheaper.

So nobz... even as cool as they can be are they really worth it?

read the "orc tactica development" thread it has some solid feedback on nobz. they're honestly not worth their points (never were really) by the time you pay for 'eavy armor and cybork bodies (with a painboy) they are super durable but damn expensive. save them for apocolypse games since the unit will cost almost 400 pts. (more if you want them on bikes)

NaZ

I have played a well kitted out nobs mob in several games and they have almost always done well. The Nobs I run come in just under 400 pt's including a truck with reinforced ram and BS.
They are equiped as follows
9 Nobs and a Paindboy with cybork bodies.
2 nobs are equiped with PK
One of the Pk nobs has a boss pole and waaagh banner.

They are expensive but they are also one of the best CC units in the game and thay can weather a fair amount of shooting. Only str 8 or higer weapons scare them they laugh at plasma gun fire. How good are they in CC? Well they are one of the only units that a DC with chaplain would lose to. Charging you'd lose about 3 nobs the first turn and take out 7 DC the second turn with 7 nobs fighting 3 DC and chaplain would end with a masacre roll. DC charging would hurt but if you set your unit up properly on your movement phase to recieve the charge you's lose about six nobs killing 5 or so DC, leaving you with a rerollable 6 leadership roll. (below half not outnumbered)

@gunkie How many points do you run and would you mind posting your list? I have been playing grey knights so a 400 pt squad is nothing but for orks it seems a little much

Nobz can be bought in minimum sized mob as a means of getting an extra battlewagon. This can help if you want lots of Av14 in your army.

that is true but for efficiency sake they're just not worth it outside of large 2000+ pts games or apocalypse.

NaZ

I usually run about 1850
list usually looks like this

HQ Ghazzkull (he's expensive but worth it)

Nobs Mob Cybork bodies, Painboy, waagh banner, bosspole, 2Xpk
(Truck Reinforced Ram and rokit launcha

4X truk boy squads 11 sluggas PK nob with BP
truck reinforced ram and RL
(one truck has only 9 boys +nob to make room for Ghazkull)

Loota's 12

Loota's 12

Stormboys 16 + Nob with pk and bosspole


I've been experimenting and haven't come up with a finalized list yet. I want to find room to fit in 6 kannons, and one of the lloota's may be changing to tankbusta's
The nobs mob may stay or go, but they are dead hard.

And since you are a Gray Knights player it may interest you that the only army I have faced that really beat me down was Gray knights. Standard marines all with 2 attacks and Huge chappa's don't have too much to fear from a 12 boy truck squad. Strength 6 close combat weapons are scary when all you have is a 6+ save, and cybork bodies are useless against psycannon's. I know this is a small consolation for you but just think of all the people rushing out to buy orcs.

Havent fought a new ork army yet but im looking forward to it. My army did well against nids when i run 10 psycannons. 12 boyz arent to bad its the 16 to 20 stormboyz that will give me a headache. And if you get a sec gunkie check out the new list i have for orks.

I'm really hoping Boyz/Painboy on bikes are worthwhile. I really like the new models, but can't justify the points cost of normal Warbikers. It could be a fun unit to build to go along with a Warboss on bike.

Yeah that could be worth it but it still kills me that they took away the bikerz fearless rule

just played a game where my squad of
warboss w/ klaw, eavy armor, cybork
9 nobz 1 w/ klaw, all eavy armor

didn't take a painboy.. should have.

they tore through a dreadnaught, 2 oblits, and 8 plague marines before going down. not bad for their cost actually. if I had been smart enough to take a painboy in there they probably would have gone the distance.

NaZ

I'd have to disagree with Nob nay-sayers. Nobs in a Ork Boyz mob is a damn fine upgrade, but only if upgraded to do something the Boyz can't. Typically, thats in the form of a PK. This monster has 5 attacks on the charge that ignores armor and shreds enemy tanks and walkers, since he's not an IC, he can be the very last to take wounds if positioned correctly in combat. In a Nob Mob, PK are an awful big waste, I must say. Maybe one or two would be enough. My build includes about 8 of these guys on bikes, because though it may cost more, you're talking a 4+ armor AND cover save, a toughness of 5, and awesome mobility, and with more point, get that mob a painboy and Feel No Pain! Tell me that wouldn't make any SM skum piss himself. In this codex, I think you must be a bit wary about digging in to tight with the point for point debate because nearly every unit in the game has been reduced in price over the past edition leaving more room to take some of the 'arder hitting stuff. I guess my overall suggestion is don't worry too much about fitting in the most boyz in a sacrifice of Nobz, because last I checked, a mob of 30 boyz will not take down a single dread, but a mob of even 5 Nobz properly armed will chew through that steel bastard like he called them grots.

Of course Nobz are worth it, you just have to learn to use them right.

Nurglitch wrote:Of course Nobz are worth it, you just have to learn to use them right.

For a man who critiqued my grammar in another thread, you appear to have no compunctions about comma splicing.

gunkie wrote:I usually run about 1850
list usually looks like this

HQ Ghazzkull (he's expensive but worth it)

Nobs Mob Cybork bodies, Painboy, waagh banner, bosspole, 2Xpk
(Truck Reinforced Ram and rokit launcha

4X truk boy squads 11 sluggas PK nob with BP
truck reinforced ram and RL
(one truck has only 9 boys +nob to make room for Ghazkull)

Loota's 12

Loota's 12

Stormboys 16 + Nob with pk and bosspole

I was going to say that if you're taking expensive Nob squads, or alternatively if you're taking the expensive HQ in Ghazzkul it's a rare chance in 40k to get some nice no risk synergy by combining the two. They really benefit from the extra fleet move, and it doesn't matter how many Nobs you shoot down Ghazzkul still gets in his own licks .

Ghazzie and a full Nobs mob is a bit of overkill so I usually have Ghazzie run with one of the other truck mobs. With cybork and FNP they have quite a bit of survivabilty.

But thats just me i like running expensive weird units. The last fight I played I fielded a 30 shoots unit with Grotsnik and gave all 30 shootas Cybork bodies. I called it the Maniac MOB. Cost about 390 points plus Grotsnik so I had 550 points tied up in one huge walking unit that I had no control over. Worked out just fine as the they scared the gak out of my opponent and he sent quite a bit of firepower it's way, which the Manic Mob happily soaked up. They were still kicking at the end of the game to with about 12 shoota's left. Sadly though Grotsnik fell to some unlucky saves.

Next time it's grotsnik and a unit of 10 meganobs on foot

gunkie wrote:Ghazzie and a full Nobs mob is a bit of overkill so I usually have Ghazzie run with one of the other truck mobs. With cybork and FNP they have quite a bit of survivabilty.

But thats just me i like running expensive weird units. The last fight I played I fielded a 30 shoots unit with Grotsnik and gave all 30 shootas Cybork bodies. I called it the Maniac MOB. Cost about 390 points plus Grotsnik so I had 550 points tied up in one huge walking unit that I had no control over. Worked out just fine as the they scared the gak out of my opponent and he sent quite a bit of firepower it's way, which the Manic Mob happily soaked up. They were still kicking at the end of the game to with about 12 shoota's left. Sadly though Grotsnik fell to some unlucky saves.

Next time it's grotsnik and a unit of 10 meganobs on foot

Nice. That's what I meant, regarding 'Ghazzie' and the Nobs. Normally it's too many eggs in one basket but he can give the Nobs a boost and doesn't even have to be in the same squad with them.

Mind you it seems like big expensive squads work out for the Orks anyway .