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**The Gorgull**

Alright, I'm new to chaos and I picked up a box of warriors and assembled them with full command and shields. (the models look soooooo awesome) I know they are an expsensive unit to run and I need help deciding on what marks to give them (if any) and/or toi make them chosen. help?

**Mannahnin**

Here are a couple of other threads on the subject:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/206164.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/174751.page

And to quote myself from another recent thread critiquing someone's army list:

The most marginal unit in your list is the warriors. Warriors are simply overpriced in the current book. They’re too slow to project force and reliably get to the enemy. They don’t have enough attacks to inflict that many casualties (unless you use XHW, in which case their save in combat isn’t that good). They don’t have special Ld rules that allow them to be reliable anvils. Undead are unbreakable. Certain expensive/elite blocks in other armies (Hammerers, Phoenix Guard, Eternal Guard when led by a Noble or Highborn, Greatswords, etc.) are Stubborn. Lizards have their special rule for break tests (3d6 and take the 2 lowest. Chaos has none of that, unless you spend 100pts giving your BSB the Banner of the Gods. I think your combination of upgrades is good, but 258 is a lot of points for a unit that will have trouble engaging with units it can actually beat, and trouble avoiding units which can beat it. Andy Potter is a british player who’s done some excellent things with them, but he’s a very experienced and regular tournament player, and he builds his lists to almost FORCE the enemy to face the warriors. Usually by either threatening them with a hellcannon, or by making the warriors just about the only thing worth points in his list. Note that sometimes he uses the Banner of the Gods for Stubborn, that he almost always uses a really killer character in with them, and that nearly the whole focus of the army is to support and facilitate the success of the warriors. If you’re really attached to them, you can give them a try, but I fear they’re going to be the steepest part of the learning curve. If it were me, I think I’d try using Minotaurs or Dragon Ogres (or Ogres if they fit your Giant concept better, though they’re not as good) instead, to give you another hammer. Their speed and hitting power will be a much bigger help to the army overall, IMO. That said, whether you use the warriors or not, you should definitely read Andy’s battle reports to get a better sense of how to use a chaos army with infantry:

http://warhammer.org.uk/PhP/viewtopic.php?t=30142

http://warhammer.org.uk/PhP/viewtopic.php?t=26073

http://warhammer.org.uk/PhP/viewtopic.php?t=21329

**The Gorgull**

thank you very much, i like this andy's style of warrior play and i get the feeling that they are beter than what most people assume if played right. i like the 11 stong unit with war banner and full command, with a champion with helm of many eyes, great weapon, or something to that extent.

**Mannahnin**

Yup. Andy’s reports are pretty inspiring. The tough part of duplicating his results is learning how to use the rest of your army to kind of corner/pin down the enemy, and/or encourage him to actually engage the warriors and let them fight. If you spend 500+pts on a unit of warriors + killy character and can’t get them into combat, you’re basically playing a 1500pt army against your opponent’s 2000pt army, and that’s a recipe for a loss if ever I saw one.