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An IC joins a unit. That unit either becomes, or is, below half strength; and fails morale.
Since the IC can't leave while falling back, and the unit is below half strength... the IC will just run off the board with the unit. Correct?


What if the IC is by himself, he used to have 3 wounds, but is down to 1. If he breaks, is he considered to be below half strength?


What if it was a model that is meant to operate singly, but not an IC and not fearless.(Are there any models that fit this description?) Lets say a wraithlord (assuming it was not fearless.) This 'non-fearless wraithlord' is down to one wound and breaks, can it regroup?


The regrouping rules only mention 'below half strength'. But half strength isn't defined for an IC, that I could find. It is defined for other non-vehicle models, in the VP rules. But not sure if those definitions apply, especially if you are not using the VP rules.

As to the first question, pg 51 under Characters as Leaders states that the IC is considered part of the unit while it falls back and cannot leave until it regroups, so if it never does and leaves the table, so does he.

As to the definition of "unit strength", well, I have always interpreted this as meaning models, using page 47 as the basis of my assumption where it says "current unit strength IN MODELS...". I assume for morale purposes, this is a normal definition. I have seen no reference that would dictate that unit strength for a single model would assume his total wounds.

Morale tests from shooting come from casualties, not from wounds. An IC never takes a morale test for being wounded by shooting. A unit takes morale tests depending on the number of models in the unit that DIE.

Sure, but shooting is only one thing that may cause an IC to fall back.

Lets say it lost a CC combat, and started falling back.

The regrouping rules say it has to be at 50% strength, how is that defined for an IC?

In the victory points section, it talks about counting wounds, for non-vehicle units.

coredump

Lets say it lost a CC combat, and started falling back.

The regrouping rules say it has to be at 50% strength, how is that defined for an IC?

Crikey. As I play SM's, it has never come up. But good question 4 sure.

As an IC, if routed,would you make a LD test every turn until you re-grouped, like LMS rules?

ok lets see if i can get this correctly...

scenario 1.
2 broadsides(squad sizes of 1-3) are joined by an IC XV-8. a falcon's pulse laser instant kills 1 side and the other one saves due to a shield drone. they fall back, but next turn regroup. next turn the IC jumps off and he loses the drone, now that one broadside is subject to last man standing checks. the IC is not.
also, if he were to run a solitary broadside, which has 2 wounds, and takes one wound, i dont think he would even have to check because IIRC, the rules use causualties, not wounds for morale. i.e. 25% causualties cause a check.

scenario 2.
10 guardians, led by an autarch, are shot to hell by bolters. all 10 die. now the IC has to make a LD check because he was part of the squad when the shooting phase happened. he falls back. next turn he can re-group because he in no longer part of the guardian squad that is dead. also obvioulsy no last man standing checks. also, if 2 wounds carried over to the autarch(max 3) he is not "broken" as solitary units cannot be "broken" for LD purposes, they can be non-scoring, but not "broken"

if a unit that is falling back that has an IC in it, and gets the "ablative" wounds knocked off while falling back, he\she\it still has to re-group because he\she\it was falling back. he\she\it is not broken because the "broken" squad is no longer there..

to my understanding, IC's cannot be forced into morale checks for falling back unless in CC, or attached to a squad during shooting.


this is how i look at it....
the whole point to LD and morale is to keep your guys together in the game. when you dont have said squad, due to you being a solitary unit, you dont have to check to see if your buddies are too afraid to keep going. you can still be scared and run (CC and when attached to a squad you are trying to keep together), but you dont have to keep the ranks up because its just you.

just my oppinion anyways...

I think you have it close.

As I've always played it:
- when the IC joins a unit, if the unit breaks, the IC cannot leave the unit until it ceases to be broken
- a unit takes a morale test for losing 25% of the models in the unit to shooting, or for losing close combat
- a unit cannot rally once it is below half strength by models originally in the unit, not wounds (although, interestingly enough, scoring is determined by a comparison of starting to current wounds rather than models)
- if the IC is the only model in the unit left alive from shooting, the IC is not subject to a morale test, because he is no longer joined to that unit
- units may not rally if they have less than half of the starting models left alive, but single creatures are not subject to this restriction, since they still have 100% of the models that started in the unit.

coredump wrote:Sure, but shooting is only one thing that may cause an IC to fall back.

Lets say it lost a CC combat, and started falling back.

The regrouping rules say it has to be at 50% strength, how is that defined for an IC?

In the victory points section, it talks about counting wounds, for non-vehicle units.

On the victory point table, ICs aren't non-vehical units, and that rule only pertains to vitory points anyway. Page 48 has the squad size rules for leadership tests, it says "Other models with more then one wound count as a number of models matching the Wounds value on their profile."

yes but that is pertaining to units that have multi wound creatures. not IC's.

dont quite know how this works, but are IC's considered solitary squads? if IC's are considered a squad then maybe they can keep falling back but i dont think thats supported in the book.

pg 50 "Independent Characters are represented by individual models, which fight as units in their own right."
When on their own, yes an IC is a squad of one.

Something I don't think you cought was that they count as a number of models equal to the wound value on their profile means that they can't be reduced in "strength" (inrefrence to Morale and leadership tests) as their profile doesn't change. An IC who has 4W on his profile will count as 4 models till he is removed.