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Command Platoon: 285
Command Squad: ( drop troops)
Junior Officer (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 Guardsmen (4 meltaguns)
Sentinel Squadron ( 3 lascannons, hunter killer missiles)

Grenedier Squad #1: 120 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (hell pistol, ccw)
9 Stormtroopers (2 plasma guns, 7 hellguns)

Grenedier Squad #1: 120 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (hell pistol, ccw)
9 Stormtroopers (2 plasma guns, 7 hellguns)


Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 70 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (las pistol, ccw
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 70 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (las pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 70 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (las pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)


Hellhound #1 115

hellhound #2 115

Leman Russ Demolisher #1 ( plasmacannons, lascannon) 185

Leman Russ Demolisher #2 ( plasmacannons, lascannon) 185

Leman Russ Battle Tank #1 (3 heavy bolters) 155

this is 1490

I really not a big fan of chimeras, so Im just dropping my infantry. Most of them are sucide squads anyway, so I dont think its much of a problem. I know sents are fragile, but I figure with all the other armor out there, my opponent should have more important things to worry about.

If there is something im missing, of just something fundamental im not getting, please feel free to let me know =)

Grenadiers cannot drop.

HK on Sentinels....new, but with your AT on such easily destroyed platforms, can't say much for it.

can't grenadiers drop if I take the drop troop doctrine?

also I have 4 dropping melta squads, the sents are more of a back up AT

They do not count as "Guard Infantry" so Doctrines do not apply to them. The only way they can drop is if you take them as Storm Troopers in an Elite slot. They come with the option as an upgrade then.

ahh, should have read the the doctrines alittle closer =/

so do you guys suggest I try to find points for the chimeras or just get a regular platoon and drop them?

Start dropping units and start buying chimeras

You'll probably need to start by dropping all the sentinels and making one of the demolishers into an LBT. that should get you the points to buy two chimeras with autocannons for the troops (or fairly close).

Then I would give the grenadiers the meltaguns if you can (I forget) and put plasma on all the veteran squads. The HQ squad and two grenadier squads with meltas, some autocannons, drop pod plasmas, and the LBT's should be fine for antitank.

I'm not an expert on mecha guard, just giving some basic thoughts. Take'em with salt.

taking into account some of the suggestions this is the revised list:

Command Platoon:
Command Squad: 90 ( drop troops)
Junior Officer (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 Guardsmen (4 meltaguns)

Grenedier Squad #1: 120
Sergeant (hell pistol, ccw)
9 Stormtroopers (2 plasma guns, 7 hellguns)
Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter, smoke)

Grenedier Squad #1: 120
Sergeant (hell pistol, ccw) 1
9 Stormtroopers (2 plasma guns, 7 hellguns)
Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 70 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (las pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 70 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (lasgun, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 70 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (lasgun, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)


Hellhound #1 () 123

hellhound #2 () 123

Leman Russ Demolisher #1 ( plasmacannons, lascannon) 193

Leman Russ Demolisher #2 ( plasmacannons, lascannon) 193

Leman Russ Battle Tank #1 (3 heavy bolters) 155

1500

I feel with this list I really don't have much AT, and it worries me. I might just forget about the grenadiers, and get a regular platoon with lascannon squads. That way I have reasonably reliable AT that can survive some hits.

I would disagree, i'd say that you have a more than competent AT force for a 1500 point game. I mean you have 13 melta guns that are drop forces which would obviously be the spearhead of any anti tank needs you might have, 4 plasma guns and a plasma pistol for lighter vehicles, MC, and MEQ to back them up, and then you are forgetting the fact that your 3x Tanks have the option of either shooting their cannons combos at vehicles. With most opponents at 1500 points you should have little to no difficulty punching through tanks my main concern would be fighting say a nidzilla army as I think the MC and swarms would be a combo to hard for you to handle. If anything id suggest one less demolisher and replace it with LR with HB setup to be able to react to swarm armies better, and use the extra points to round off a few things like smoke etc.

Command Platoon:
Command Squad: 90 ( drop troops)
Junior Officer (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 Guardsmen (4 meltaguns)

Grenedier Squad #1: 120
Sergeant (hell pistol, ccw)
9 Stormtroopers (2 plasma guns, 7 hellguns)
Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter, smoke, EA)

Grenedier Squad #1: 120
Sergeant (hell pistol, ccw) 1
9 Stormtroopers (2 plasma guns, 7 hellguns)
Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter, EA, smoke )

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 70 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (las pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 70 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (lasgun, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 70 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (lasgun, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)


Hellhound #1 (EA, smoke ) 123

hellhound #2 (EA, smoke ) 123

Leman Russ Demolisher #1 ( plasmacannons, lascannon,EA, smoke ) 193

Leman Russ Battle Tank #1 (3 heavy bolters, EA, smoke ) 163

Leman Russ Battle Tank #2 (3 heavy bolters, EA, smoke ) 163

1491

so I switched a demolisher for another russ, and got EA and smoke on all the vehicles

how is that looking and what do you suggest for the 9 points?

I think its a good list. Are you really attached to the Chimeras? If not, you could go for the full drop list using Last Chancers. Check out this list for an example:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/205346.page

You have way, way too many meltaguns, and not nearly enough plasmaguns.

don't have much to add to what has already been said, but your Vet squads cost 75 not 70 (they have to have a vet Sargent).

Schaeffer (power sword, plasma pistol, carapace armor, bionics, Mach. cross, med. crimson) 75
Kage ( bolt pistol, ccw) 35
15 last chancers ( specialists, 4 melta guns, 11 plasma guns) 390

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 85 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 85 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 85 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)


Hellhound #1 ( smoke) 118

hellhound #2 ( smoke) 118

Leman Russ Demolisher #1 ( plasmacannons, lascannon, EA, smoke) 193

Leman Russ Battle Tank #1 (3 heavy bolters, smoke) 158


Leman Russ Battle Tank #1 (3 heavy bolters, smoke) 158

this comes out to 1500 exactly and uses the last chancers as additional suicide squads or objectice takers.

Good list except that in the Imperial Guard Codex the Command Platoon is a 1+ choice, meaning you need to take it. Now in the IG FAQ it states that if you take a pure Last Chancer Army Schaffer and Kage can be used as your mandatory HQ, but your list is not pure Last Chancer. My suggestion would be to drop one Hardened Vet squad for the required Command Squad with Junior Officer and 4 Guardsman with your choice of Meltaguns or Plasma Guns.

I knew it looked to good =P

thanks for the info, with the changes I can probably buy back EA on my vehicles now, so thats something

Command Squad: 80
Junior Officer (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 Guardsmen (3 plasma guns, 1 lasgun)

Schaeffer (power sword, plasma pistol, carapace armor, bionics, Mach. cross, med. crimson) 75
Kage ( bolt pistol, ccw) 35
15 last chancers ( specialists, 2 melta guns, 13 plasma guns) 390

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 85 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 85 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hellhound #1 ( smoke) 118

hellhound #2 ( smoke) 118

Leman Russ Demolisher #1 ( plasmacannons, lascannon, EA, smoke, dozer) 198

Leman Russ Battle Tank #1 (3 heavy bolters, smoke) 158


Leman Russ Battle Tank #1 (3 heavy bolters, smoke) 158

= 1500

hows that look?


*EDIT: I added the dozer to the demolisher and took out some meltas (mostly from the command squad)

I'll probably give it another day or so before I order the parts to build the list, so please get your comments in =)

kinda offtopic but what would I convert for melta guns? I heard about using the flamers but im alittle unsure as to how effective that really is

It looks great to me maybe a few last chancers converting from melta to plasma, but thats more of a personal preference.

An idea for the extra 5 points is possibly a rough terrain mod for the demolisher so you can get from point a to b with less effort.

it looks like the club im going to start playing at plays @ 1850, so what do you think I should add to bring it up to speed?

well with another 350 points id start off with 2 more vet squads, 1 with plasma set ups and 1 with meltagun set ups, another hellhound, upgrade 1 LR to a demolisher (same set up as the other 1) and give your leman russ and 3 hellhounds EA. If I did it right I have exactly 1850.

unfortunately I already have 2 vet squads, so I cant add another 2 in, but I did add 1 and then add some more last chancers. I also took your advice about the vehicles, so heres what the new list looks like.

Command Squad: 90 (drop troops)
Junior Officer (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 Guardsmen (4 plasma guns)

Schaeffer (power sword, plasma pistol, carapace armor, bionics, Mach. cross, med. crimson) 75
Kage ( bolt pistol, ccw) 35
18 last chancers ( specialists, 2 melta guns, 16 plasma guns) 468


Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 85 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 85 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 85 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hellhound #1 ( smoke, EA) 123

hellhound #2 ( smoke, EA) 123

hellhound #2 ( smoke, EA) 123

Leman Russ Demolisher #1 ( plasmacannons, lascannon, EA, smoke, dozer) 198

Leman Russ Demolisher #1 ( plasmacannons, lascannon, EA, smoke, dozer) 198

Leman Russ Battle Tank #1 (3 heavy bolters, EA ) 160

Well again if I added it correctly I believe you have 112 points left to spend, so possibly take 3x lascannons as a support squad under your HQ? That would be 110 points and would give you something to punch through monoliths and anything rather nasty that needed extra attention. The more I think about it the lascannons are actually kind of a must for that very reason, otherwise your gonna be hurting against necrons, and it certainly wont hurt to have that extra ap2 punch to throw at terminators etc.

Id say now you should be good to go, looks like a very solid list.

I just redid the math twice, and it comes out to 1848. If you really think I need the lascannons I could drop a vet squad and a last chancer, that would probably be enough

Ooops my bad forgot to add schaeffer and kage. Actually then id probably instead drop 4 last chancers (2 meltas and 2 plasmas) and drop your smokes from the two demolishers and pick up those lascannons.

Well I hope that helps im off to bed, id definitely say that its a must to take those lascannons though, and my thinking was your picking up 3x lascannons and losing 2x meltas so your AT doesnt suffer, and im not sure about the smokes, you might be better off dropping the smokes from the hellhounds as people are more likely to worry about a near 200 point tank than your hellhounds.

If you feel comfortable maybe drop the plasma pistol from your junior officer instead of dropping the smokes? Its kind of a preference thing so id say its up to you.

more for a sense of completion then anything else, im going to post the final list with the included lascannons

Command Squad: 200
Junior Officer (plasma pistol, ccw) 50
4 Guardsmen (4 plasma guns) 40
Anti tank squad ( 3 lascannons) 110

Schaeffer (power sword, plasma pistol, carapace armor, bionics, Mach. cross, med. crimson) 75
Kage ( bolt pistol, ccw) 35
14 last chancers ( specialists, 14 plasma guns) 364


Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 85 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 85 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hardened Veteran Squad #1: 85 ( drop troops)
Sergeant (plasma pistol, ccw)
4 veterans ( 3 Melta guns, 1 lasgun)

Hellhound #1 ( smoke, EA) 123

hellhound #2 ( smoke, EA) 123

hellhound #2 ( smoke, EA) 123

Leman Russ Demolisher #1 ( plasmacannons, lascannon, EA, dozer) 195

Leman Russ Demolisher #1 ( plasmacannons, lascannon, EA, dozer) 195

Leman Russ Battle Tank #1 (3 heavy bolters, EA ) 160


1848

looks well rounded and reliable, you'll have to let me know how it runs after all is said and done, although I dont see you having many problems that you shouldnt be able to overcome with even a little tactical insight.

LRD with plas/las is very pricey.

LRD get killed often and early, so you might want to bring some more lascannon squads.

I run a very similar list, I leave killing tanks to the regular BS3 IG with meltaguns and put the plasmaguns on BS4.

Personally I'd probably revise all the LRD to LRBT to give you more horde killing power at longer ranges.

Cheaper and gives you more points.

Oh and the Vet Sarge with the plasma pistol never makes his points up. Just drop him out of the squad entirely, he's just a boltgun catcher.

I'd say bring another battery of lascannons but in a IG squad instead of HW squad format, you should have enough points you can shave to do so.

lol the only infantry I have that are still bs3 are the guardsmen in the command squad, but I guess I can change it up alittle.

I can understand what you say about the las/plas on the LRD, but the I dont see myself changing them into LRBTs. Of all the vehicles im fielding, the LRD has the best chance of firing, so I want it to get shot at instead of the hellhounds and LRBT. Thats part of the reason the las/plas guns are on it, so it can be seen as a big threat.

in terms of the vet sarge, it should make up its points on anything that is armor 12 and less THEORETICALLY. there is a good chance that it won't do anything for me, but for 10 points each, im willing to test it unless I really need the points elsewhere.

are you suggesting I have a infantry platoon within a drop troop/mech army? Isn't that spreading myself too thin?

I went with the last chancers after seeing your list instead of grenediers in chimeras, so a big thank you for that (I think chimeras are horribly overpriced)


As soon as I get the army together and get a few games in, I'll be sure to let you know how effective it is

re you suggesting I have a infantry platoon within a drop troop/mech army? Isn't that spreading myself too thin?

Not sure if thats what he was hinting at, but yes that would spread you thin, stick to what your good at, not your numbers of cheap guard /w flashlights.

The problem my army has is not enough anti-tank that's reliable.

Adding reliable anti-tank fixes it's major weakness.

I can trade in 1 vet squad and all the plasma pistols for another lascannon squad, that would give me more reliable antitank, and with 2 squads I should be able to keep them alive for at least a few turns.


does that sound like a good idea?