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Here’s a situation that occurred to us last time we played cityfight.

What happens when you assault a unit partially in cover, do you have to/can you use fraggranades?
Can you choose not to move in to cover?
Do I have to roll a difficult terrain test?
If I have to/want to use frag: Do all models fight at Initiative 10 even the units that were not in cover?

I believe its all models in cover fight @ I 10. not the unit. Same with shooting, if you're not behind cover, you don't get a cover save. You still need to try and move everybody into base to base contact.

Yep, the cover bonus in CC is worked out on a model by model basis.

And based on the GW rulebook FAQ pretty much if any of the models in the target unit that are within your unit's charge range are in cover you need to take a difficult terrain test before you make your assault move.

Yep, the cover bonus in CC is worked out on a model by model basis.
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Yes this would be one way of solving the issue, but it does raise odd situations with fraggranades.
This would cause the unit in cover and the assaulting unit using Fraggranades has to split up into two different Initiatives (in there respective units) “These 5 is assaulting the 5 in cover will use I 10 (because they use Frag)”.
And this will cause some conflict problems when allocating hits “Oh these guys in the killzone is killed at Initiative 10, therefore some of your Initiative 4 guys will not have anything to fight when their turn comes”.

I therefore think that you either treat all units as “in cover” or not, using the Mixed armor/cover rule and stick with it. The FAQ is pretty clear that you have to roll for difficult terrain to assault them though.

Gothhog wrote:
Yes this would be one way of solving the issue, but it does raise odd situations with fraggranades.
This would cause the unit in cover and the assaulting unit using Fraggranades has to split up into two different Initiatives (in there respective units) “These 5 is assaulting the 5 in cover will use I 10 (because they use Frag)”.
And this will cause some conflict problems when allocating hits “Oh these guys in the killzone is killed at Initiative 10, therefore some of your Initiative 4 guys will not have anything to fight when their turn comes”.

I therefore think that you either treat all units as “in cover” or not, using the Mixed armor/cover rule and stick with it. The FAQ is pretty clear that you have to roll for difficult terrain to assault them though.

It's not a solution in this case, it is the actual rules. Read page 39 of the rulebook, it is absolutely 100% clear that cover in close combat is determined on a model by model basis.

If, before you move the attacking model a straight line from him to the defender crosses over cover, then the defending model will get the cover bonus.

This absolutely does mean you can have half a unit striking at a different Initiative step than the other half but that isn't any more difficult than fighting a mixed combat with several units that have differing Initiatives. It is how the game currently works.

Now, they appear to be changing it in 5th edition so that the entire unit either gets or doesn't get the cover bonus (which is a better way to play IMHO) but it absolutely is not how the rules currently tell you how to play.

It is, however, the way they tell you to play it at most tournaments. 1 ring to rule them all syndrome.

In my situation my unit with Terminators was split on each side of a Fortification (difficult terrain) with Typhus and 1 Terminator champion on the one side with no cover in Line of sight to the unit they was assaulting (a carnifex) left on the other side of the wall was 3 Terminators.

If the Cover is determined on a model by model basis, that would that mean that the carnifex will fight at Initiative 10 for being behind cover against the 3 terminators behind the fortification or could he instead chose to attack and probably kill Typhus on his Initiative 10 ?

One other weird thing is that Typhus has fraggranades (sort of) and as the cover is determined on a model by model basis he is not assaulting into cover (but still has to roll a difficult terrain test : ).

It's model by model. If the Carni with flesh hooks attacks the guys in cover, he'll strike at I10. If he attacks Typhus (who's not in cover), he'll strike at regular Initiative.