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Once per game, Yriel can activate the Eye of Wrath in lieu of making his normal attacks in assault. Place the large blast template with the hole centered over yriel; all models under the template take a Strength 6 hit at AP 3.

So, how do you guys play this?

Who is hit?
a) all models fully under template
b) all models that are even a little bit under the template
c) roll for partials?

Is it a shooting attack or close combat attacks?

Says in lieu of his normal attacks in assault, but uses an AP value.

If a shooting attack and this was done in a forest, would the models get a cover save?



Example:

Death Company charged Yriel in a forest, if we treat as shooting, the death company get Feel No Pain, as it was from a shooting attack that gave no save. Or we treat as close combat and the Death Company do not get Feel No Pain as it is a close combat attack that allows no save.

Help.

I think the issue of partials is ignored because partial hits are disappearing next edition. So roll for them in the intervening time. It's a close combat attack so no cover saves, but since the attack doesn't ignore armour (and isn't instant kill against T4 targets), the Death Company would still get their Feel No Pain rolls.

Until I see the book on the shelf I'm putting no stock in 5th ed.

Roll for it as a normal blast template should be rolled. You should roll for partials and wounds.

Nurglitch wrote:I think the issue of partials is ignored because partial hits are disappearing next edition. So roll for them in the intervening time. It's a close combat attack so no cover saves, but since the attack doesn't ignore armour (and isn't instant kill against T4 targets), the Death Company would still get their Feel No Pain rolls.

It has a Strength and an AP value, wouldn't that make it a shooting attack taking place during the assault phase, since CC attacks don't have AP?

No, double-negation doesn't apply here.

AS far as a cover save goes...I would say no.

There is no such thing as a cover save in HtH, or Ork Force Fields would be rediculous

Since it "replaces" your attacks it counts as a Close Combat effect which would deny any cover saves, as they don't exist in HtH.

Can the eye of wrath remove sergeants and what not. The wording sais each model under the template is hit. Does this mean that the eye can be used to snipe stuff.

Kej wrote:AS far as a cover save goes...I would say no.

There is no such thing as a cover save in HtH, or Ork Force Fields would be rediculous

Since it "replaces" your attacks it counts as a Close Combat effect which would deny any cover saves, as they don't exist in HtH.

just out of curiosity could you back this up with rules in the BGB?

i was under the impression that only shooting attacks have an AP value and CC attacks either ignore armour saves or dont. also CC attacks dont make use of templates. personally i'd resolve the eye of wrath as a shooting but id like to know if im wrong because there are any rules ive missed.

wolverine_nz wrote:Once per game, Yriel can activate the Eye of Wrath in lieu of making his normal attacks in assault. Place the large blast template with the hole centered over yriel; all models under the template take a Strength 6 hit at AP 3.

Wonderful example of GW not knowing their own rules. There's no such thing as a 'blast template' in 4th edition 40K.

Who is hit?
a) all models fully under template
b) all models that are even a little bit under the template
c) roll for partials?

If you assume that they actually meant 'blast marker' in the EoW entry, you would roll for partials, as normal for a Blast weapon.
If you assume that the use of the word 'template' means that they intended for it to work as a template weapon, then it would be any model fully or partially under.

Is it a shooting attack or close combat attacks?

CC attacks don't have an AP.
It's a shooting attack that replaces his normal CC attacks.

If a shooting attack and this was done in a forest, would the models get a cover save?

I see no reason they shouldn't.

I agree with Insaniak.

insaniak wrote:

If a shooting attack and this was done in a forest, would the models get a cover save?

I see no reason they shouldn't.

Just to further muddle the issue up... Template weapons do not allow cover saves. Blast weapons do. So this is something of a problem when they call it a blast template. Does it work like a blast weapon or a template weapon? If its a blast then you roll for partials. If its a template, you do not have to roll for partials. If its a blast weapon, you get cover. If its a template weapon, you don't.

*shrug*

True, dat.

I overlooked the template/cover save issue, as I personally think they meant it to be treated as a Blast marker.


But that's a personal interp. You would have to decide for yourself whether you're going to play it as a marker or a template.

I'm going with using the large blast marker. As there is a large blast and a small blast, and there is no large or small template (only the 1), it seems rather obvious.

That, and I've refered to it as a template in casual parlance myself.

KiMonarrez wrote:I'm going with using the large blast marker. As there is a large blast and a small blast, and there is no large or small template (only the 1), it seems rather obvious.

That, and I've refered to it as a template in casual parlance myself.

From a common sence prespective, I would agree with you here. I would play it as a large blast marker since it seems rather clear that is what the writer intended. I was mearly pointing out that discrepency to play "Devil's Advocate".

KiMonarrez wrote:I'm going with using the large blast marker. As there is a large blast and a small blast, and there is no large or small template (only the 1), it seems rather obvious.

It's obvious that you're supposed to use the large blast marker, yes.

The point was simply that referring to it as a template could be taken to suggest that they intend us to use the template rules for it.