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I am fighting against either 1k of Necrons or Eldar this weekend (after Mardi Gras celebrations) & would like a look from you all on my list.

Restrictions for me... no more than 2 TMCs OR units w/ 2+ saves, 870pts max army points, no more than 80pts army total in Biomorphs.

I am thinking of this...

~HQ~
Hive Tyrant (AG:BS, TS, VC, TL-Dev) x2 Tyrant Guard (RC, LW)
Hive Tyrant (AG:BS, TS, FH, VC, ScyTal) x2 Tyrant Guard (RC, LW)

~Elites~
(x3) Warriors (ES:BS, TS, EC, TL-Dev)

~Troops~
(x8) Genestealers
(x10) Gaunts (SF)
(x10) Gaunts (SF)
(x10) Gaunts (SF)

One Tyrant for herding hordes & shooting, one Tyrant to walk into enemy w/ shooting along the way, warriors to shoot troops & herd hordes, Stealers for an extra target that can't be ignored & shred in CC or take objectives.

For the same points I can make both Tyrants with VC & TL-Dev

???

Well with those restrictions, looks fine to me.

I'd make both Tyrants identical so you have two units that do the same function on both sides of the board and can't be flanked.

The warriors could be dropped for more basic troops, who should be around the Tyrants. With 2 guard each, they are very survivable at this points level.

I like the list but personally I would drop one of the Tyrants and throw in a Carnifex suped up for CC, just death incarnate which would distract most of the Necron firepower along with the GS. I haven't played against the new Eldar but I would try it against them too. Oh and keep the shooty Tyrant

Thanks for the input, I appreciate it!

Here's another take on my list, trying to decide which one to run tonight... any feedback is welcome!

~HQ~
Hive Tyrant (AG:BS, TS, VC, TL-Dev) x1 Tyrant Guard (RC, LW)
Hive Tyrant (AG:BS, TS, VC, TL-Dev) x1 Tyrant Guard (RC, LW)

~Elites~
(x4) Warriors (ES:BS, TS, EC, TL-Dev)

~Troops~
(x8) Genestealers
(x10) Gaunts (SF)
(x10) Gaunts (SF)
(x10) Gaunts (SF)
(x10) Gaunts (SF)

Removing one guard on each Tyrant, adding a Warrior & Adding another brood of Gaunts... It sound like I'd have more scoring options for the battle this way & both Tyrants should still be pretty well protected with an one T6, W2, SV3+ guard each.

Your welcome. That new list sounds pretty good. More scoring units is very VERY good. Good luck

I'd recommend ditching one of the Tyrants and plumping for more Warriors. Ditch the twin-linked Devourers and give the Tyrant Psychic Scream, Shadow in the Warp, and the Lashwhip/Bonesword combination. This way the Eldar won't beat you so badly in the assault phase and with their psychic powers, and losing the Tyrants to Fire Dragons or Warwalkers won't hurt your broods so much. Also a Barbed Strangler won't use up so many valuable points.

Warrior-wise I'd likewise ditch the twin-linked Devourers and take Deathspitters with Scything Talons instead, particularly since you can't take twin-linked Devourers on Warriors. The extra range will be worth it alone, while the Scything Talons will help your Warriors support the Gaunts in their assaults.

~HQ~
Hive Tyrant
Enhanced Senses, Toxin Sacs, Barbed Strangler, Bonesword and Lashwhip, Shadow in the Warp, Psychic Scream

Two Tyrant Guard
Scything Talons and Rending Claws

~Elites~
Warriors (3)
Enhanced Senses, Extended Carapace, Toxin Sacs, Deathspitters (2), Barbed Strangler (1), Scything Talons.

Warriors (3)
Enhanced Senses, Extended Carapace, Toxin Sacs, Deathspitters (2), Barbed Strangler (1), Scything Talons.

Lictor
The usual

~Troops~
Genestealers (8)
Rending Claws, Scuttlers

Gaunts (10)
Spinefists, Without Number

Gaunts (10)
Spinefists, Without Number

Gaunts (19)
Spinefists, Scuttlers

Basically the idea is for the Tyrant to form a Big Dangerous Thing (TM) in the middle of the board while your Genestealers and a nice large unit of Gaunts get up in their faces nice and early, and mess up any artillery or troops trying to hang back and shoot in incoming Tyranid horde. The Gaunts, in particular, should be deployed ahead of the Tyrant. The Warriors will be able to advance up behind the two screening units of Gaunts, which will recycle, and reliably so thanks to the Lictor's Pheromone Trail, as they are inevitably slaughtered. Your Tyrant lays down fire with the Barbed Strangler as it heads towards whichever objective is in the middle of the board, while a unit of Warriors pared with a unit of Gaunts takes the flanks.

Expect to lose the big unit of Gaunts, the Genestealers, and the Lictor. Don't worry, the Lictor doesn't need to be alive for Without Number to benefit from the Pheromone Trail. Use the recycled units to rush in and use Fleet of Claw to capture objectives.

Nurglitch, that is absolutely nothing like a list I have played yet with Nids... I will certainly try it on for size! Thanks for the detailed input.

I will say that I played against new Orks tonight - not Eldar or Necrons! The list I used was the second one I posted.
Result = Draw. I had a solitary Tyrant left and he had a unit of sluggas & a unit of shootas remaining from...
Big Mek w/ SAG, 2x 30 Shootas w/ big shootas, 15x lootas, 1x 30 sluggas w/ big sluggas. all boys had nob w/ pow claw.

It was fun, I should have been more aggressive with my Warriors but he had me by 96 victory points in the end, making it a draw!

Rockit: About the Warriors, you know that you can't have twin-linked Devourers on them, right?

Nurglitch wrote:Rockit: About the Warriors, you know that you can't have twin-linked Devourers on them, right?

No Nurglitch, not aware of that at all.

Tyranids Codex pg.37...
'Each warrior within that brood must then also choose two weapon-symbiotes at the cost listed...'
'Warriors with two ranged weapon-symbiotes may only fire onr per turn.'

Tyranids Codex pg.30...
'A Tyranid that carries two of the same ranged weapon symbiote counts them as twin linked.'

WH40k Rules pg.30...
'The big advantage of twin-linked weapons is that they only count as a single weapon being fired.'

The G.W. Tyranids F.A.Q. does not mention this topic at all as far as I can see, in the version i have found at least... can you provide a source for me please Nurglitch? Thanks!

Rockit: You've quoted the correct materials. However, with regards to the first quote, that sentence means you get to choose two weapon symbiotes, not one weapon symbiote twice.

You'll notice that no Tyranid Warrior pictured in the book has two of the same bio-weapon, for example. The Carnifex, by contrast, is only restricted to single instances of bio-weapons in specific cases (Tail Weapons, 'carapace' biomorphs, and Crushing Claws). Likewise you'll notice that the restriction on multiple Barbed Stranglers and Venom Cannons in Tyranid Warrior Broods is singular: you cannot double up Barbed Stranglers and Venom Cannons on the same Warrior for a twin-linked version.

Hence while it is correct that a Tyranid that carries two of the same ranged weapon symbiote counts them as twin-linked, as said on P.30 of Codex: Tyranids, only Tyranids that can carry two of the same ranged weapon symbiote will have two of the same ranged weapon to count as twin-linked, such as the Carnifex or the Hive Tyrant. Notice that the reference to Tyranids comes after a sentence denoting the relationship between Monstrous Creatures, the number of weapons that they carry, and the number of weapons they can use during a single turn.

On P.30 of the Warhammer 40k Rulebook the rule allows a Carnifex armed with twin-linked Devourers and a Barbed Strangler, for example, to use both rather than having to use one or the other because it has two Devourers.

Where is the reference which says 'you may not pick the same weapon symbiote twice'. In the listing for the Carnifex it only has Sything Talons listed once but there is no contest in being able to purchase them twice, which is exactly what I am doing with the Warrior's Devourers.

Just because there isn't an existing GW model which represents that specific load out I fail to see that as a proof it cannot be done. The codex does not have a model for the Dakkafex or the Dakka Tyrant, in fact there isn't even a winged Hive Tyrant model represented but we know you can build one of each of those.

The codex says you must choose two, it does not say you may not pick one two times and the Carnifex is a perfect example of doing just that (2x Scything Talons or TL-Devourers). Since picking two of the same weapon makes that weapon twin linked, the Warrior fires them both as one and satisfies both the 'choose two' & 'may only fire one' requirements.