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Ok. This one seems pretty obvious to me. The Hellstead is a 1 wound horse that flies. A vampire on a Hellstead is thus cavalry that can fly. Cavalry that can fly is Flying Cavalry, correct? And as such would be mounted on a 40mm base?

This is a subject of confusion over at Warseer where alot of people seem to agree that he should be mounted on a 25mmx50mm base and is not flying cavalry. 0_o Am I going insane here? Is cavalry that flies NOT flying cavalry?

It seems like simple logic to me, but I may be wrong.

Simple leap based on false assumptions.
Flying calvary is a unit type.
Flying is an ability
Calvary is an ability.

these are specific definitions, not general ideas.

In war hammer calvary that fly are not flying calvary.
They follow all the rules for calvary and the rules for flying.

And as a quick reminder, Calvary /= Cavalry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvary

Infantry, Flying Cavalry and Cavalry (among others) are unit types.

I'm not aware of any units in the game presently consisting of a single Flying Cavalry model. Pegasus Knights and Warhawk Riders are the only ones, and they are units of (multiple) flyers.

Flying is an ability. Usually when you give it to a character on foot, he stays Infantry (can still enter buildings, etc), but is now able to fly. Simple.

I've seen this argument about vampires taking the flying power combined with Dread Knight, and on a gut level it doesn't seem right. The vampire's supposed to be flying, not the horse. And if you wanted a flying mount, isn't there the hellsteed option?

Anyway, all this is far from solid, as I don't have the book, and have only gotten to read it once. Next time I have it in my hands I'll try to remember to check.

Flying Cavalry is actually a set of special rules applied to certain units, not just a unit type. Nothing in the VC list has the Flying Cavalry designation.

I think 25x50 would be perfectly acceptable. The problem is that there is no model provided for a "hellsteed", so no definitive answer. According to the VC book, it is a flying nightmare. But AFAIK there is no VC nightmare model, either.

We do know that the hellsteed is *not* a large target and is a 1 wound mount. Most 1 wound mounts use the cav base. So it seems reasonable to mount the hellsteed rider in a similar fashion. OTOH, pegasus knights and warhawk riders use a 40mm base, so this seems reasonable as well. In the end, I think either should be acceptable as they both have advantages and disadvantages.

I personally prefer the 40mm as it is easier to deal with the wings, etc. Plus, it makes a cheap conversion from a peg knight ;-)

On the whole flying mounted thing- a character mounted on a flying mount can't join units. But a character on foot can't utilize a lance effectively. Who knows, maybe he is carrying the darn horse- vamps are strong!

It has its own wound? So you could conceivably blast the mount out from under the vamp? And as such, hits would be randomized between the stead and vamp?

- Salvage

Well I know you can't do that, 1 wound mounts are not considered monsters. All mounts have their own 'wound' now.

But this has definitely brought some insight to me. I just assumed a guy on a flying horse was flying Cavalry.. Huh.

Oh well, I'm not using the stupid thing anyways. But if I were I'd go 40mm. Something about a 25x50 horse with wings doesn't sit right with me.

Guess I was crazy after all.

Oh, fair enough then. I did wonder why about 1/2 of the mounts in the new O&G book had wounds of their own ...

- Salvage

Heh, just remember that Flying Cavalry is a special rule (and possibly a unit type). Cavalry is a unit type. Flying is a special rule. So, as odd as it may sound, currently you can have cavalry with flying that is not Flying Cavalry. Just like you can have bat swarms and ogres that are infantry :-) One of the differences between game terms and normal English.

I agree that the cav base would probably be very crowded and clumsy.

I am still very unsure about the whole vamp takes flying and then a mount. I am pretty sure you have to pick a movement mode ala moving on foot v. flying. But it seems odd that you might pick flying and then carry the horse around!