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Ok, had a guy in our local gaming store come to us with this today, and he was pretty adamant that he was correct.


In the BRB the rule for magic armor says something along the lines of "you have to be able to buy the mundane armor to be able to buy the magic version" In simple terms, if you cant buy armor for your character, then he also cannot have any kind of magic armor. This rule also says unless specified by army book.


Now, he says that since the Vampire has NO options to buy any armor, that they must take the "Dread Knight" or "Avatar of Death" Vampire power that would give them mundane armor, so they can then exchange it for magical armor.


Here is where he gets this idea, top of page 85 in the VC army book.


"All Vampires may be given magic armor(including Enchanted Shield). This replaces any similar items of mundane armor they possess through having the Avatar of Death or Dread Knight Vampiric powers.


I did a search and didnt see this mentioned anywhere.


His argument is the Vamp has nothing to replace so he cannot get the magic armor because the 2nd line is worded the way it is.


Thoughts?



Clay

the quote from the BRB, page 121, Magic Armour, 3rd paragraph, is:

A Character that is not allowed to wear ordinary armour cannot be given magic armour/helms (unless differently specified in the army book). A character that is not allowed to carry ordinary shields cannot be given magic shields (unless differently specified in the army book).

now the line in the VC army book, page 85, Magic Armour, reads:

All Vampires may be given magic armor(including Enchanted Shield). This replaces any similar items of mundane armor they possess through having the Avatar of Death or Dread Knight Vampiric powers.

emphasis mine

in the BRB there is nothing about having the need to buy armour to be allowed to wear it. you only need to be allowed to wear it. obviously characters that are able to buy ordinary armour are allowed to wear magical equivalents. Since vampires no not have the option to buy mundane armour it needs to be specified in the army book that they can be given magical armour, which it says on page page 85 under the section titled Magic Armour. the idea that a vampire needs to have the avatar of death or the dread knight powers to be able to buy magic armour is at best a very loose (not to mention incorrect) interpritation.

hope that helps

There is a similar issue in the Dwarf codex. Slayer lords do not have an armour option and under their profile it says they can pick "x"points of runes from the weapon rune list. So that all makes sense. However under the Armour runes section the first paragraph states that "ANY dwarf character may be given up to three armour runes". The sentence before this also says that the armour runes can only be engraved on armour. However, I have seen players try to state that their slayer lord can take the 1+ armour save rune because he is a character and that the armour line is just fluff writing and the rune is on some metal armband, anklet, boot, whatever which protects some part of his body as armour but not enough to make it equal light armour.


Laughable, yes. Unheard of, no.

All Vampires may be given magic armor(including Enchanted Shield). This replaces any similar items of mundane armor they possess through having the Avatar of Death or Dread Knight Vampiric powers.

And what do the Avatar of Death and Dread Knight Vampiric powers state? If it's something along the lines of "The Vampire is allowed to wear armor," I think the argument falls apart a bit.

The rule in the BRB says if you don't have access to mundane armor, you don't have access to magical armor.

A Vampire has access to mundane armor. Granted, it is through unconventional means, but he most assuredly does have access to it. If he does not take the blood line, can he not take the armor? Well let me ask you this, do you have to spend points on heavy armor to take a magical suit of armor? Most certainly not.

Simple and sweet: Vampires can get mundane armor. Vampires can get magic armor.

Even Necromancers can buy one of the magic armor sets.


That Dwarf Slayer thing though? That's just outright cheating. Armor runes go on armor. Thus you have to have armor. It's like giving a lord a magical standard, and 'explaining' in fluff terms as him having a tabard made from the same material as the standard, or something equally as stupid. Cheating!

Ya, so my Dwarf Lord, he's the army standard bearer. My force rallies around his loin cloth...

Looks like Vampires can wear magic armour.

As for the dwarves, I'm surprised that hasn't been FAQed. But if it says, "any character" than it's any character. Note that I would expect a tourney organizer to rule otherwise.

No need for an FAQ just because someone is trying to read something that's not there. Anyone can take up to 3 runes. This is a numeric maximum limitation. (It doesn't say they may not take less!) But armor runes have an additional limitation- they must be inscribed on armor, which slayers cannot take. So tough luck.

The portion that says "All vampires may be given magic armor" is enough for me to say that all of them can have it, even if they don't have avatar or dread knight.

I don't see any issue with a vampire taking magic armor.

Who is it for, if not them? Necromancer thralls? Oh joy...

people are retards, trying to find any way possible to out wit the system. granted, the VC amy book has some flaws in it, but this is just slowed, and the dwarf thing is stupid. the slayer character book entry says he may select runes from the weapons list. and also, the rule of form states that a rune may only be inscribed on the appropriate item, weapon for weapon runes, and armour for armour runes. inscribing a rune on an arm band would be a talisman rune, because an arm abnd is a talisman! I'm a dwarf player, and i would love to give my slayer lord some armour runes, but it is just not possible, nor can you give him talisman runes, because it says he can only take weapon runes. remember, slayers wnat to die, they just want it to be a glorious death.