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I seem to recall seeing in the rulebook that you must have line of sight on the model/unit you wish to charge but I couldn't find it. Does anyone know where this is or maybe where I'm getting confused?

Not in 40K.

It's a rule in WHFB (or at least it used to be... haven't played the current edition).

no, only in FB, in fact I believe there is a drawing in the rules book about charging around terrain etc. A litte slowed if you ask me.

As far as I know you can charge an unseen unit and the charge does not have to be in a straigth line.

The only rules I can find is the ones that states that the charge fails if no model can reach the target and the rule that states that the first model to move in the charge has to move the shortest distance possible between where he was and the closest target model.

I am not 100% sure atm how you deal with the situation when you can reach a target by moving round terrain but roll too short to reach by moving through the terrain.

What they all said, but I agree, it should be a rule.

StoneFoxx

fester wrote:As far as I know you can charge an unseen unit and the charge does not have to be in a straigth line.

The only rules I can find is the ones that states that the charge fails if no model can reach the target and the rule that states that the first model to move in the charge has to move the shortest distance possible between where he was and the closest target model.

I am not 100% sure atm how you deal with the situation when you can reach a target by moving round terrain but roll too short to reach by moving through the terrain.

First model must charge in a straight line.

If there is terrain in the way, you have to roll difficult terrain. If you don't roll high enough, the charge fails.

skyth wrote:

fester wrote:As far as I know you can charge an unseen unit and the charge does not have to be in a straigth line.

The only rules I can find is the ones that states that the charge fails if no model can reach the target and the rule that states that the first model to move in the charge has to move the shortest distance possible between where he was and the closest target model.

I am not 100% sure atm how you deal with the situation when you can reach a target by moving round terrain but roll too short to reach by moving through the terrain.

First model must charge in a straight line.

If there is terrain in the way, you have to roll difficult terrain. If you don't roll high enough, the charge fails.

Not true, Skyth. That's actually a common misconception. Our group used to think that, as well.
We just had this come up in our game on Saturday.

The rules state that the closest model must charge the closest model by the shortest available path (not a direct quote, obviously).
They are worded so as to allow one model to charge from behind an allied model from a different unit, for example, or to allow you to charge someone around the corner of an intact building, etc.

Eric

In most cases, it is a straight line ^_^

You can't charge around terrain to avoid rolling the test, if your charge line takes you through or into it in any way, you must do so. The days of looping charges died with 3rd edition.

40k Rules Book, Move Charging Units...

"...the model selected must be the one that can reach the enemy by using the least amount of its available movement. Move the model into contact with the nearest enemy model... using the shortest possible route. "

"models assaulting into, out of or through difficult terrain will be slowed down..."

"If the unit's move is insufficient to reach at least one target unit then the charge does not proceed."

that's the meat of it.

Sounds like 'draw the shortest line, if it goes through cover make a test, if it you make it fine if not you fail'... nothing about going around at all.

If you can get to a target unit with 6" of movement by moving around something but have to cross 4" to get through terrain, the shortest route is still directly through the terrain. Thus an assault would have to go through the terrain, requiring a test.

Right, but he's asking about someone around a corner of a building (i.e. an intact building). In that case you just move the model it's movement to get into contact.

Capt k

Rockit-
If you can get to a target unit with 6" of movement by moving around something but have to cross 4" to get through terrain, the shortest route is still directly through the terrain. Thus an assault would have to go through the terrain, requiring a test.

and

CaptKaruthors - Right, but he's asking about someone around a corner of a building (i.e. an intact building). In that case you just move the model it's movement to get into contact.

Both are exactly right, RAW and RAI(hated to say it but true)

Area terrain is as Rockit stated, and Right angled Buildings are handled the way CaptKaruthors pointed out. Bend that Tape measure at a 90 degree angle(or whatever)-if you are within 6"-charge into assault.

Rokit quoted from the BGB-"...the model selected must be the one that can reach the enemy by using the least amount of its available movement. Move the model into contact with the nearest enemy model... using the shortest possible route. "

"models assaulting into, out of or through difficult terrain will be slowed down..."

"If the unit's move is insufficient to reach at least one target unit then the charge does not proceed."

That's it eh?

I believe that LOS is required to charge in LotR as well. I suppose it makes more sense in a game that emphasizes individual models over units, but I still question the logic behind it. You can't charge because your guys don't know the enemy is on the other side of that hill? Really? In terms of what's on the board, either the commander is omniscient or he's not. This rule seems to mess with that logic.

Oh well, glad it's not in 40K.

The shortest possible route from one point to another on a flat plane is a straight line. Models can't move through impassable terrain, such as a wall.

Nurglitch wrote:The shortest possible route from one point to another on a flat plane is a straight line. Models can't move through impassable terrain, such as a wall.

...which means that if there is impassable terrain in the way, the straight line is not a 'possible route'...

Nurglitch-The shortest possible route from one point to another on a flat plane is a straight line. Models can't move through impassable terrain, such as a wall.

Which is why you would walk around the corner, if it took less than 6" to do so, and you ended in base to base with an opponent's unit.

The rule regarding charge only with LOS is from the old 2nd edition rules.

I recall some of the old players used to do that in 3rd edition and I had to keep reminding them LOS is no longer required.

I think that in 3rd edition a charge would have to be in a straight line to a unit you have LOS to, not sure about the LOS but I am fairly adamant about the straight line.

In forth there is no LOS requirement, there is a ruling on how you move models in the charge but only the first model moved has any rule that dictates the exact route.

The first model that moves must be the model that can reach the target using upp the least amount of its movement and it must move this specific path.

Thus that path can be S shaped to swerve past terrain or other models, it can be a L shape round a corner or whatever path is possible that is the shortest path.

Commonly as there is a LOS between units this meens the charge is a straight line but it does not have to be one.