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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/02 15:39:25
Subject: Flying Units Unit Strength
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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This has bugged me for a while, and I'm starting to notice some inconsistencies in interpretations for some of the units (terradons, bird surfers):
Peg Knights - US 2
Terradons - US 2
Carrion - US 1
Fellbats - US 1
Warhawk Riders - US 2
That's how they're played around my parts, but I'd like some confirmation as I have some doubts about the terradons and surfers
- Salvage
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/02 16:12:37
Subject: Flying Units Unit Strength
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Cherry Hill, NJ
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Any model that is considered to be Flying Cavalry (either directly stated in their rules or by having 2 separate profiles one for the mount and one for the rider) will have US 2. Otherwise the flying model will have US 1. Monsters that fly on the other hand will have a US = their wounds.
Remember a monster can never be fielded as a unit where as units like fellbats and carrion are fielded as a unit and thus are US 1.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/02 16:55:59
Subject: Flying Units Unit Strength
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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I saw much arguing whether terradons (and maybe bird surfers, but definitely the terradons) were flying cav. Their rules don't say they are, apparently, but people just assume by the model and the unit's function that they are. I wonder myself, but am easily convinced by precedent. - Salvage
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/02 17:36:22
Subject: Flying Units Unit Strength
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Dakka Veteran
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I guess I can see where the confusion comes in when you're looking at the Terradon riders, since it seems like they should be flying cav. However, as you stated, the rules don't actually says so. Note that in the Wood Elf army book it does say Warhawk riders DO count as Flying Cav. So your list is right, except Terradons should be US 1 per model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/02 19:49:46
Subject: Flying Units Unit Strength
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Fixture of Dakka
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Unlike many other portions of the rules, the Flying Cavalry portion does not require explicit identification in the army list. If both the rider & the mount have a profile, and it's a 1 wound model, it seems like it should be cavalry; as it flies, it's probably flying cavalry. (See p. 69.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/02 23:27:25
Subject: Flying Units Unit Strength
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Disagree. The unit must be specifically designated as Flying Cav. This is a rule which was invented after the Lizardmen book was published, and while Terradons clearly fit into the type of creature which is now being defined as flying cav, they are not named as such and do not use those rules.
I would totally understand why people would house rule it otherwise, but the above is, IME, the standard "tournament" interpretation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/03 00:17:09
Subject: Flying Units Unit Strength
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Fixture of Dakka
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P. 69, "Flying Cavalry": Flying cavalry, as the name suggests, are units of cavalry mounted on flying steeds, like Bretonian Pegasus Knights. They are treated as units of fliers, except that:.... Contrast with, say, Chariot Units (p. 64): Some armies.... If chariots can be grouped into units, this is indicated in the army list, together with any special rules that apply to specific cases. The rulebook is actually pretty good about calling out places where explicit mention are required. Flying Cavalry doesn't have that. So, what's flying cavalry? Flying cavalry, as the name suggests, are units of cavalry mounted on flying steeds. Gee, thanks GW. What's cavalry? P. 7, "Cavalry": The term cavalry refers to riders mounted on horse-sized creatures that only have 1 Wound in their profile, mounted on a 25mm by 50mm 'cavalry' base.... Well, we know flying cavalry doesn't *have* to be on a cavalry base (e.g., Pegasus Knights). That aside, we've got a rider on a beastie with only 1 wound in its profile. *shrug* That said, the obsolete base size chart shows that Teradons were US 1 in 6th ed, which is maybe indicative of their place in the grand scheme of things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/03 00:47:27
Subject: Re:Flying Units Unit Strength
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Deadly Tomb Guard
Payson Utah, USA
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Except that Brettonnian Pegasus has 3 wounds. The rule book states these as an example of flying cavalry, but would fail to meet your requirments. This would suggest to me that if the unit is flying cavalry, then the profile would state that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/03 02:00:35
Subject: Flying Units Unit Strength
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Fixture of Dakka
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Bret Pegasus Knights are US 2; Bretonian pegasus mounts for characters are US 3. It doesn't have to make sense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/03 02:37:10
Subject: Flying Units Unit Strength
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Deadly Tomb Guard
Payson Utah, USA
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I know they are unit strength 2, and you know they are, but you could see where one would get confused if they used the criteria from above. if they used your previouse criteria, they wouldn't be cavalry because their mounts have 3 wounds. and theur mounts do have 3 wounds no matter how useless that is. since they are cavalry, it doesn't matter how many wounds they have since they leave the table with their rider.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/03 11:21:57
Subject: Flying Units Unit Strength
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Terradons are played universally as US1 in tournaments in Australia (including by me). As Mannahnin has stated the bret book was done after the lizardmen one.
Terradons don't say they are flying cav and are therefore US1...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/16 15:16:10
Subject: Flying Units Unit Strength
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Fresh-Faced New User
The Netherlands
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@Arion
Bretonnia Pegasus knight has US 2 and the model has 2 wounds..
The PK itself has no wounds in it's profile..
It is classed as Flying cavalry in the rules.
Now the Royal Pegasus Mount for characters... It's a monster! And follows the normal rules of monsters..
So comparing them with them with the flying cavalry is just folly.
Confusing them is easy if you don't know the rules..
As for Terradons don't have the Flying cavalry rules, so they are a normal unit of flyers-> US1
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/16 15:34:39
Subject: Flying Units Unit Strength
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Deadly Tomb Guard
Payson Utah, USA
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I didn't say that a bret hero on a royal pegasus is flying cav. I said using the using the above crieria isn't right. flying cavalry are defined as such in their army book, not buy a criteria. on how many wounds the pegasus have, i was going off of what I saw in the back of the warhammer rulebook, and what others have told me. i havn't played my bret army sunce 5th ed when there were no peg knights. my point was you can't classify a flying cav model by saying"the mount has one wound and it flys so it is flying cav." flying cav will be described as such in the army list entry.
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I am a Utah man sir, I live across the green, our gang is the jolliest that you have ever seen, Our co-eds are the fairest, ans each one's a shining star, our yell you'l hear it ringing through the mountains near and far.
Who am I sir? a UTAH MAN am I. A UTAH MAN sir, I will be till I die.
KI-YI
Were up to snuff, we never bluff were game for any fuss, no other gang of college men dare meet us in the MUSS. So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky, we'll fight for dear old Crimson for a UTAH MAN AM I!!
GO UTES!!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/04/18 00:12:03
Subject: Flying Units Unit Strength
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Fresh-Faced New User
The Netherlands
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Never confuxe logic with warhammer rules..
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