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going for a list that will work at 1750 or 1850 with a little tweaking to go from 1750 to 1850

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farseer-spirit stones\fortune\guide

10x dire avengers-exarch\p.w.\shimmer shield\bladestorm
10x dire avengers-exarch\p.w.\shimmer shield\bladestorm
10x dire avengers-exarch\p.w.\shimmer shield\bladestorm

8x striking scorpions-exarch\p.f.\infiltrate
8x striking scorpions-exarch\p.f.\infiltrate
6x fire dragons

falcon-h.f.\spirit stones\v.engines\s. cannon\s. cannon
prism-h.f.\s.stones
wraithlord-
heres what im not sure of, do i go EML & BL or scatter laser\s. cannon to provide BS4 fire support?

6x warp spiders-exarch 2x d. spinner


so im pretty sure this is around 1750 if i put the SL and S cannon on the wraitlord. between the prism and the dragons, im not sure if they will be enough AT, and at the same time, having the lord with the EML\BL will allow my prism to use the template more often. also do you think that the infiltrating squads are a viable option? they may not do anything in most games, but if you dont kill them and focus on the rest they can lay some hurt, or if you focus on killing them it makes my "walking" army get to you where it becomes really effective.

also i'm not just going to dump the scorpions out in the middle of no where, behind cover or in cover....

any advice big or little will help out a lot, thanks!

Wraithlord should probably have a Bright Lance, and Eldar Missile Launcher. You don't have a whole lot of tank-busting power right now, and almost nothing over 12".

You might benefit from some swapping out some Dire Avengers with some Guardians, perhaps with some Heavy Weapons of their own. An additional Bright Lance, perhaps?

yea thats one thing i was thinking of, but 125pts for a one shot lance is not too apealing. especially since even hot flashlights take them down quick.

the tank busting i was referring to before was the str 9 BS 4 prism, and the 2 48" str 8 pulse lasers.

i think im going to run the lord with eml and lance, has anyone tried infiltrating multiple scorpion squads? had any luck?

I see were you are going with the Dire Avengers, but I feel the exarch is a waste. The unit is trash in HTH. Use your 18" range to back pedal on your enemy.

Trash in HtH? Darkness, I strongly disagree. A PW/SS unit with Defend is very hard to kill (for Eldar), especially if they're Fortuned. They don't hit back hard at all, but that's not their purpose. They hold your opponent's assault troops while your own counterassault elements hammer in.

Yes, keep them out of hand-to-hand- until you need them to support your HtH specialists. Then the DAs are extremely useful. At 18" range, you can't backpedal forever. Stormboyz etc. will catch and maul the Avengers. Use them aggressively, not evasively. DAs weaken the enemy with shot and then pin them, while dedicated CC units hammer the enemy.

huge_eldar, that's a good list. My only contention would be that another BL/EML Wraithlord might work better than the Prism, but YMMV. I like duplicates both for redundancy on tasks and to force the enemy to make more difficult shooting choices. With Eldrad around, placement and speed of your long-range shooters is less crucial, making Wraithlords as viable as the Prism (Single prisms aren't my thing in general). Adding another WL that is a shooting menace makes opponents less likely to target your Avatar, as they will think they should deal with the shooters first (unless the enemy is very mobile CC-oriented, in which case they will ignore the WLs).

But even keeping the Prism isn't that bad. It is highly maneuverable, covering one of your weaknesses.

Speaking of Eldrad, if you're already spending that much on a seer, pony up for Eldrad. Maybe that could be your points expansion for 1850.

The Scorpions are also a decent choice in an advancing foot list. The infiltrate really just lets them keep up with your Avengers.

Speaking of Avengers, add Defend to two of the squads,, and drop the PW/SS on the third in favor of double-shuricats and just Bladestorm. If you run that one slightly behind the others, you'll have a better-equipped CC buffer for the Avatar/Scorpions (the ones with Defend), and a slightly better shooter squad to boot.

I wouldn't drop any Avengers for guardians. If you do, give them a scatterlaser, not a BL.

Good list overall.

great advice Savnock, i hadnt really thought about that for the DA but i agree, that would make them overall more effective i believe.

in 1850 eldrad will be in there for sure no sense in not having him if i can.

i think i can make it work with 2 prisms, but then im playing 3 skimmers and i kinda wanted to get away from that, 3 skimmers being in my last 6 games ive played. although, they arent as resilient as the falcons so it wouldnt be as cheese-y

i like Scatter lasers but i dont always like playing guardians with them. in 1750 they are too squishy and dont do enough in 6 turns to justify the points cost of 1 squad. they work better in pairs or more i think, again to be used in higher point games.

ok so i got the list down,

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farseer-s. stones

9x dire avengers-exarch\p. weapon\s. shield\bladestorm
10x dire avengers-exarch\p. weapon\s. shield\bladestorm
10x dire avengers-exarch\2x catapults\bladestorm

8xstriking scorpions-exarch\p. fist\infiltrate
8xstriking scorpions-exarch\p. fist\infiltrate
6x fire dragons

falcon-h. fields\s. stones\v. engines\2x cannons
prism-h. field\s. stones\
prisn-h. field\s. stones\

6xwarpspiders-exarch\2x d. spinner

just under 1850, but im still not sure about weither i want to switch the 2nd prism for a WL with a bl and EML.

What do you guys think? will this list just get trounced? i think it has potential..



edited for clairity....

It's good. Using a second Prism is more versatile than a WL would be. More mobile, more redundant, more swarm killing ability. While the WL might have supported the DAs in combat, the Scorps should do that fine already.

If you're not using Withdraw, dump the Exarch on the Spiders. That's 17 points right there. True, two less shots and lower BS on two more, but it's not really as important as what that could buy otherwise (move through cover for one scorp unit, or shuricannons on the prisms if you have another 3 ponts free).

What are the stones on the Farseer for? I don't see a second power or anything.

Given that you're using DAs as your foot fighting base (their leadership is already fairly high), you might consider ditching the Avatar in favor of Eldrad as your seer, or Asurmen to anchor those DAs. I'd go with Eldrad.

Good list overall. Try one more tweak and it'll be great.

sorry, i was at work so i think i just missed the farseers stuff, he has fortune\guide.

i can drop the exarch which will allow me to get the cannons on the prisms, that might be worth it, trading 4 bs5 str6 shots for 6 bs4 str6 shots....

i think i want to keep the seer\avatar combo. the avatar is just such a menace on the board that he has to be dealt with or he will wreak havoc on everthing but MC's, and being fearless in CC is super important when i expect to take a few casualties due to the toughness 3...

thanks again savnock