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There you have it, whats better for a squad of 10xChaos Raptors with MoN, 2x melta, mbombs?

A champ with a power fist, or a champ with 2xlightning claws?

Seems like claws are generally the popular pick, and certainly cooler for the type of squad (ie fast attack, fast weapons)

But I would think a power fist in almost all scenario's would be better except the one where the initiative is originally higher than 4. Seems like it would garuntee more kills including hero's, regardless of the fact that claws reroll to wound rolls. Plus you get the bolt pistol before the charge, extra attack for 2 close combat weapons (also), and can drop tanks as well as the 2+ to wound. And with squads of 10 that champ is GONNA get his attacks in.

On the other hand I'd already have enough tank killing power with that squad, and there's still the matter of the coolness factor.

Help me decide! :S

Powrfist is almost always better, it even deals more wounds most of the time. However, if the rumours regarding needing two powerfists to get an extra attack in 5th are correct, then lightning claws may be a reasonable choice for anti-infantry squads.

Eek! Guess I'll prepair for either or then lol, whens that coming out anyway? There a site with rumours out there somewhere too? Thnx for the infos

The lightning claw is actually slightly better against T3, and only slightly worse against T4. Where the fist really helps is against T6 (TMC class), where the fist is still wounding on 2's while the claws need 6's with a re-roll (about 1/3 the time).

If you're giving your squad MON, then you're going to be more resilient, so your boys can wait for the fist to swing. If you took MoS instead, I'd say claws to take advantage of I5.

The fist rumor is pretty hot, but it won't change the math that dramatically against T6 or AV values.