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Even in your example there is a want to pass, not the automatic pass, you could still choose to fail.

Citing your second example, the Ctan ability is a Special Ability overriding a Rulebook statement because it is expressively stated to do so.

don_mondo wrote:C'tan special ability can force any unit, even Fearless units, to fall back. So they can and do fall back......................................

In any circumstance other than this they will never fall back. What you are doing is illustrating a very specific rule that will not come up in 99.9% of games that are played.

Besides I was stating a fact, that is written into the current Fearless rules where the main rule book explicitly states they never fall back.

I don't think you're seriously arguing that all units fall back, so therefore no units are ever subject to No Retreat! So I'm not sure that the C'tan special ability matters to whether God of War is an automatic pass or not. I think the C'tan ability probably does work against God of War units, but that's another discussion.

As I've already said, the C'tan ability does indeed work against God of War-ed units, but those units can still choose to pass the test.

Now, if they were written to 'automatically pass', then in that case they would not be able to choose and would have to roll the dice just like any other unit, fearless units included.

I compare the full Iron Will rule versus the God of War rule, and from the difference I think it indicates Iron Will is meant to work against the C'tan ability while God of War might not. It'd likely take a FAQ to undescore that that is what's meant.

Does Dakka have a thread size limit, or does a moderator need to step in? I'm just curious if this thread is going to keep going until a FAQ comes out...

nice one solkan

There's been bigger, and ones filled with more vitriol and sarcasm. Dakka will endure.

Yes, but I think this one has reached the point where every argument has been reiterated several times over.

Locking now. . .