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Eldar aren't human.

Eldar are just space elves which are compared *to* humans as being skinnier and more graceful.. Just like DnD and tolkein elves

All I was trying to say is the model does not look "female".. It just looks like someone in armor. Since the default is generally male I think there really should be more effort put into making something look feminine, if its billed as such

Given the slender frames of Eldar you cant just give them HUUUGE muscles like catachans. You add breasts or (Please pay attention to the 2nd option here, Im not saying just slap boob armor on her) a non-helmeted feminine head and you got a correct model, without those you have some dude model billed as being a woman

I think the model is *fine*, its just not any more female than the male farseers which in a problem to me. Reaper wouldnt even exist if people didnt want female models that looked female, so obviously it IS a desire among modelers. Personally Id like an actual female looking farseer in my eldar, but the current model has no place in my collection since its the same as every other farseer

Reaper wouldnt even exist if people didnt want female models that looked female

I find that claim a little dubious. Reaper makes good models and I highly doubt their female sculpts alone are the only reason they're successful.

Sidstyler wrote:

Reaper wouldnt even exist if people didnt want female models that looked female

I find that claim a little dubious. Reaper makes good models and I highly doubt their female sculpts alone are the only reason they're successful.

Yeah, reaper has some pretty nice models, even discarding any female ones.

If I ever come across rude, I apologize. I will defend myself by saying that I have always been receptive to negative criticism that is about the products and does not reek of a personal attack. It is when insults and immature remarks arise that I take offense.

I will aspire to release the best products we can with the resources available.

*sigh*

I have frequently seen you come across as rude (not to mention arrogant) and I have never seen you be receptive to negative criticism, ever. I have repeatedly called for you to apologise for the problems that you have inflicted on others due to your attitude and poor behaviour and I'm still waiting...

I have seen some of your products first hand and they are atrocious. 'Aspiring' to release good quality products is not the same as having good quality control. Charging money for resin that is dimpled is just insulting to your customers.

Another day, another terrible Chapterhouse release. At least the new painter is pretty good.

The teased at scorpion arms do look good though...

The farseer sucks, anyone can get a decent farseer by..
... Using the woodelves female Mage, replacing the head with a helmet & modelling on some armour
... Using Avatars of war dark elf sorceress, filling up the cloak to look like cloth as opposed to dinoskin, modelling on some armour, probably giving her a blank faceplate alá Shadowseer...

At least, that's what I did

archont wrote:
... Using the woodelves female Mage, replacing the head with a helmet & modelling on some armour
... Using Avatars of war dark elf sorceress, filling up the cloak to look like cloth as opposed to dinoskin, modelling on some armour, probably giving her a blank faceplate alá Shadowseer...

lovely ideas...

Except you keep the dinoskin for a Exodite Seer... yum!

Hey Chapterhouse, I have a request

Please make some Necron destroyer legs! They could look similar to the tomb spider's legs, or the tomb stalker.. where they just "plug in" where the 3 little jet / exhaust thingies are on each side of the destroyer body so you can make destroyer-scorpion-centaur looking things. Just sell em in a pack of 6 legs, maybe a couple different poses.. but give em the same look so left or right sides won't matter.

I'd buy that for a dollar (or more).

This thread needs to be toned down a notch as well. The miniature in question does have photos of it available, so people are free to make their own judgements. Don't take a product announcement thread as an opportunity to simply bash on a product; it really isn't relevant to the conversation. Talking about what you're not going to use it for (and why) is off-topic; it's like saying what a bad job this miniature would do if used as a sponge.

This is not to say that there can't be critiques, but they need to be kept objective and in check.

I'm not trying to defend the model in question, but the discussion needs to remain on-topic.

Thank you.

+1

Some people have been pointlessly harsh. You hate it and ch and want to really show your opinion? Don't buy it.

You don't like it and comment on how to improve it, you are helping. I don't see why people get so worked up everytime they release something... Its no skin off your teeth to just not buy and move along lol.

The market will support or squish them, rest assured that if everyone hated it, ch will not be putting out many more models, problem solved. If they are in fact acting illegally, problem solved.

If people do buy, and it turns out they are in the clear legally, maybe it's a sign we don't need to take a dump on the dakkaforum lawn everytime a thread is updated.

I like the female doomseer model. It looks like a "generic female space elf with magic powers" and if I played "space elves" I'd get it.

Aye, I'm personally adding the pics as hints to the guy who did the Doomseer, on what Doomseer 2 could look like.

I should take this moment to add the likelyhood of me purchasing said mini would skyrocket.

Sidstyler wrote:Eldar aren't human.

I'm not talking about the farseer? You should probably read the posts that you reply to.

Just wanted to add some information from the blog of Ángel Giráldez; there are a number of pictures there for better views. A question occurs though;



As we see, the arms are all separate (naturally), are they only available as a whole unit (that is, with the body)? Or could they be purchased separately for purposes of conversion? I'm just wondering, it's been a while since I tried to convert a seer council.

ph34r wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Eldar aren't human.

I'm not talking about the farseer? You should probably read the posts that you reply to.

Easy now, he just made a little mistake, that's all.

Pyriel- wrote:Boring stuff

Hi there I see you are still biting. That sum up you gave applies to a completely different forum, where the values are completely different and the relationships are more complex than you give credit for. However while you're at it, I can take a bit of sniping but from what I have read this mini isn't being too well recieved. I love how my being ex something makes me bitter about it, I can now afford plenty of resin and plastic crak, ta. Also while we are on the subject of quotes, I quite like this little number:

Chapterhousestudios wrote:


Nu-uh, these are the old Eldar Farseers, theres not much resemblence to the head besides a general shape.




You know what, you're right, there is absolutely no resemblance between your and theirs. Its completey coincidence and there is no way that you're actually trying to knock off an eldar farseer. Doomseer. Farseer/Warlock, whatever.




It is also absolutely crazy of all of us to think that the fact that you had it painted with an Eldar rune on its head is anything other than happenstance. Given the myriad ways lines can be arranged into glyphs, it should give no more suprise when they randomly come together in a form that is completely in line stylisticly with an idiom that your sculpting also coincidentally lines up with, than it should suprise us when it doesn't. Thats how random chance works after all.

Chapterhousestudios wrote:

Also the name has NOTHING from the GW universe. I pulled her name from some ancient priestess names and changed a few letters up.


Its really childish of us to think that Iyanar has any similarity to the craftworld of Iyanden. It is so obviously a randomization of 'some thing I found on google and rearranged' that to note the congruence with the estableshed IP that it sails so close to would be just plain fatuous. Shame on us.

Chapterhousestudios wrote:


I dont mind critiques, but when you are making a gak storm over GW comparisons and then you have sculptors asking for video game characters, movie characters etc etc it gets hypocritical.


How can you expect us to not compare it when that is so clearly, with out any doubt, 100% what you are doing? You know, you might catch a lot less flack if you didn't try to masquerade as this innocent pariah who is just getting picked on due to coincidence. Stop trying to defend your sculpt on grounds that are so clearly false!

Saying that it doesn't look like an eldar character, doesn't sound like an eldar character, isn't painted like an eldar character, wasn't specifically sculpted to be as close to an eldar character as you can get away with when that is so clearly the case has a lot to do with WHY you get treated the way you do around here. There are plenty of people who will say that treading on someone elses IP is bad, no matter who they are. You have to accept that plenty of the people in the world actually believe in absolutes of right and wrong. You will never win them over, but you shouldn't be suprised. If that weren't the case, the world wouldn't function.

However, there are plenty of people who see grey areas, and say- well, if you want to do derivative work and ride on the coat tails of established idioms and IP and fill niches, or offer competing cheaper products for those that are comfortable using alternative figures, thats fine! Thats the free market, or thats the price of success, or whatever. Lots of people feel that way too.

You might come off as less of joke if you were straight forward and honest about it. It has been said around here before that the not-characters that folks like Crooked Dice, Heresy, HF, etc do are filling voids where no competing product by the IP holder exists. Do you not see how that is different? I'm not saying you have to agree philosophically, or that you can't say that you think what you're doing is just as legal/acceptable/moral, whatever. Your opinion is yours to have, but FACTUALLY, you're playing different games then they are.

Putting aside the above factual difference of filling a void, vs producing a knock off- Another big difference is that most of the above mentioned ranges make NO DENIALs about what they're doing. The similar names, the never-even-thinly-veiled allusions to the original source material. "MALCOLM ECCLESCAKE A time-bothering vagrant do-gooder. " , "Femdroid" vs Fembot, "Cobra" vs "Snake Plisken". Its all really clear whats going on.

On the contrary, you come in and say that you're NOT at all knocking off anything, and that any similarities between your blue dude up there and an eldar warlock or farseer are completely coincidental. You basically implicitly tell everyone that you think they are an ignorant donkey-cave if they think they see a similarity. How stupid do you really think people are?

I suppose you have to keep up the charade since you ARE in a different boat than the above people who are filling voids where no competeing product exists. Since you DO produce knock offs of your competitors products, I suppose it would be silly of you to openly say, "Yeah, I'm totally selling this not-farseer and cashing in on GW, check out how awesome I am!'.

Here's a suggestion: If you really don't think we're all as dumb as you seem to suggest we are, and you haven't drunk the kool-aid so much to actually believe your 'official line' about how original this all is, and you're really just having this on with a wink and nod to those in the know, how about rather than trotting out these pathetic tired old lines about 'random googling' and not having ANYTHING to do with GW source material, you just don't say anything at all, rather than insult our intelligence.

"Here's my new release. Hope you like it"

That's all you need to say. That'd suffice.

Captain Jack wrote:

Pyriel- wrote:Boring stuff

Hi there I see you are still biting. That sum up you gave applies to a completely different forum, where the values are completely different and the relationships are more complex than you give credit for. However while you're at it, I can take a bit of sniping but from what I have read this mini isn't being too well recieved. I love how my being ex something makes me bitter about it, I can now afford plenty of resin and plastic crak, ta. Also while we are on the subject of quotes, I quite like this little number:

Chapterhousestudios wrote:


Nu-uh, these are the old Eldar Farseers, theres not much resemblence to the head besides a general shape.




You know what, you're right, there is absolutely no resemblance between your and theirs. Its completey coincidence and there is no way that you're actually trying to knock off an eldar farseer. Doomseer. Farseer/Warlock, whatever.




It is also absolutely crazy of all of us to think that the fact that you had it painted with an Eldar rune on its head is anything other than happenstance. Given the myriad ways lines can be arranged into glyphs, it should give no more suprise when they randomly come together in a form that is completely in line stylisticly with an idiom that your sculpting also coincidentally lines up with, than it should suprise us when it doesn't. Thats how random chance works after all.

Chapterhousestudios wrote:

Also the name has NOTHING from the GW universe. I pulled her name from some ancient priestess names and changed a few letters up.


Its really childish of us to think that Iyanar has any similarity to the craftworld of Iyanden. It is so obviously a randomization of 'some thing I found on google and rearranged' that to note the congruence with the estableshed IP that it sails so close to would be just plain fatuous. Shame on us.

Chapterhousestudios wrote:


I dont mind critiques, but when you are making a gak storm over GW comparisons and then you have sculptors asking for video game characters, movie characters etc etc it gets hypocritical.


How can you expect us to not compare it when that is so clearly, with out any doubt, 100% what you are doing? You know, you might catch a lot less flack if you didn't try to masquerade as this innocent pariah who is just getting picked on due to coincidence. Stop trying to defend your sculpt on grounds that are so clearly false!

Saying that it doesn't look like an eldar character, doesn't sound like an eldar character, isn't painted like an eldar character, wasn't specifically sculpted to be as close to an eldar character as you can get away with when that is so clearly the case has a lot to do with WHY you get treated the way you do around here. There are plenty of people who will say that treading on someone elses IP is bad, no matter who they are. You have to accept that plenty of the people in the world actually believe in absolutes of right and wrong. You will never win them over, but you shouldn't be suprised. If that weren't the case, the world wouldn't function.

However, there are plenty of people who see grey areas, and say- well, if you want to do derivative work and ride on the coat tails of established idioms and IP and fill niches, or offer competing cheaper products for those that are comfortable using alternative figures, thats fine! Thats the free market, or thats the price of success, or whatever. Lots of people feel that way too.

You might come off as less of joke if you were straight forward and honest about it. It has been said around here before that the not-characters that folks like Crooked Dice, Heresy, HF, etc do are filling voids where no competing product by the IP holder exists. Do you not see how that is different? I'm not saying you have to agree philosophically, or that you can't say that you think what you're doing is just as legal/acceptable/moral, whatever. Your opinion is yours to have, but FACTUALLY, you're playing different games then they are.

Putting aside the above factual difference of filling a void, vs producing a knock off- Another big difference is that most of the above mentioned ranges make NO DENIALs about what they're doing. The similar names, the never-even-thinly-veiled allusions to the original source material. "MALCOLM ECCLESCAKE A time-bothering vagrant do-gooder. " , "Femdroid" vs Fembot, "Cobra" vs "Snake Plisken". Its all really clear whats going on.

On the contrary, you come in and say that you're NOT at all knocking off anything, and that any similarities between your blue dude up there and an eldar warlock or farseer are completely coincidental. You basically implicitly tell everyone that you think they are an ignorant donkey-cave if they think they see a similarity. How stupid do you really think people are?

I suppose you have to keep up the charade since you ARE in a different boat than the above people who are filling voids where no competeing product exists. Since you DO produce knock offs of your competitors products, I suppose it would be silly of you to openly say, "Yeah, I'm totally selling this not-farseer and cashing in on GW, check out how awesome I am!'.

Here's a suggestion: If you really don't think we're all as dumb as you seem to suggest we are, and you haven't drunk the kool-aid so much to actually believe your 'official line' about how original this all is, and you're really just having this on with a wink and nod to those in the know, how about rather than trotting out these pathetic tired old lines about 'random googling' and not having ANYTHING to do with GW source material, you just don't say anything at all, rather than insult our intelligence.

"Here's my new release. Hope you like it"

That's all you need to say. That'd suffice.

Very nice summation.

100% agree.

Captain Jack wrote:

Stuff most people are tired of reading...

I guess I should be grateful that CHS has such a loyal fan (lol stalker) that they jump forums to heckle us, without CHS what would you post about?!

I find it interesting that anyone thinks that we have said we are not trying to appeal to GW fans and fill in the blanks. We have always said we are catering to that player base and trying to expand what they can do with the models and their collections. This is what gets us negative attention, for some GW fans this is sacrilege that you can use other company’s items in 40K. Add to the fact we do not attempt to hide the fact our items are for 40k players (which is a big no-no according to GWs IP bible) and you get frothing posters jumping up to defend the innocent GW Company.

There is a difference between saying "this is a 40k product" and saying "this can be used by 40k players", it is in the legality of the action. I have always tried my best to label our products accurately and within the context of IP law. It does not matter to me if some find the act of making parts for 40K offensable, I am here for the players who want options, who don’t want to have to go underground and search for those options. If you Google search for Space Marine Shoulder Pads, our stuff comes up on the search, and they are meant to be used on those models. There is nothing wrong with this.

What no one needs to is the incessantly loud-mouth attention seekers who want to pound their narrow opinions down the mouth of the masses? There are a few posters here like that. Sure there are posters who comment they don’t like the company or the idea and stop at that. Then you have the posters who insist they know the laws, that their moral grounds are the only correct ones and that they are policeman of the GW IP. I do not think anyone around here appreciates those posters; they contribute nothing but vitriol to the discussions. Say your piece and let others make decisions for them.

From this point forward I will be ignoring those responses and users and hope everyone else can do the same, "please don't feed the trolls".

I admit that it is not pleasamt to read Chapterhouse threads while all those crazy stalkers are allowed to post their rude insults unhindered in here.

Bitspudlo just posted his Rhino conversion kit with a new dozer blade and guess what: Nobody cares about IP.

What on earth is a donkey-cave?

Ok, captain jack. who gives a frakk?

Captain Jack wrote something similar to:

Free Market Jives

So. Let. The. Market. Decide.

note to self: stop feeding the trolls.

Wehrkind wrote:Ok, for naming the female regiment (if this will be heard over the noise):

Dahomey Amazons

Night Witches

Zelenko's Zuaves

Vaguely interesting side note: the Russians had a crap tonne of female pilots, including entire regiments. I had no idea.

Not only that, but alot of those pilots were hot. I think some of the military history magazines just did some stories on them with pics.


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Chapterhouse wrote:I was hesitant to do arms for the female soldiers (anyone want to help name these girls regiment?), mainly because I wanted the players to be able to use parts from GW to weaponize them. This would not lead to any confusion on the playing table regarding weapons. Honestly the arms and weapons look decent when shown on the models, which I will show later this week.

The plan is to release them in sets of 12 (6 different sculpts for each body part) sans arms. I am debating on having arm sets sculpted up that will be designed to hold our rifles that are soon to be release.. again that leaves out the special weapons and heavy weapons..

Since Im slightly buzzed from last nights birthday celebration, big 32, I'll head back to bed

Nick

Totally understand that.

I've been trying to find a good way to convert female guard for a couple of years now...even had those huge resin figures that Doc Thunder was selling.

In the end, women in full armor look like short men. It's the hands that really stick out.....

dunno, but man hands really bug me.

Keep up the great work CHS!

Kroothawk wrote:I admit that it is not pleasamt to read Chapterhouse threads while all those crazy stalkers are allowed to post their rude insults unhindered in here.

Its no more severe then when GW or any other bits/mini maker releases a substandard mini/kit. The difference is CH, and its more vocal fans, feel the need to feed and be fed off of trolls, thereby detracting from any sensible discussion/critique of their product.

Question : Does my stated opinion that CH is consistently the worst of the bitz companies that showcase their product here make me a "crazy stalker" and is my assessment a "rude insult"? I ask because its genuinely not my intention to be rude, but to state my opinion as a consumer. Am I not entitled to my opinion? Are not others, even if they are rude? And again, the "rudeness" in this thread is no worse then the stormraven, dreadknight, <insert other polarizing mini releases>. Why should they get special treatment?

Kroothawk wrote:Bitspudlo just posted his Rhino conversion kit with a new dozer blade and guess what: Nobody cares about IP.

Yep, no one cares.. Because their stuff is by and large, great quality, while CH is pretty questionable (again, my opinion). Also, notice the posting "tone", if you will, of Tomash and Matus, the sculptors/owners of Bitspudlo and compare that to the CH poster. No troll baiting, no responding to blunt and rather rude critics with subtly written insults, just down to business "here's what I got, thanks for your patronage!" posts and answering questions/concerns from customers.

NELS1031 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:I admit that it is not pleasamt to read Chapterhouse threads while all those crazy stalkers are allowed to post their rude insults unhindered in here.

Its no more severe then when GW or any other bits/mini maker releases a substandard mini/kit. The difference is CH, and its more vocal fans, feel the need to feed and be fed off of trolls, thereby detracting from any sensible discussion/critique of their product.

Question : Does my stated opinion that CH is consistently the worst of the bitz companies that showcase their product here make me a "crazy stalker" and is my assessment a "rude insult"? I ask because its genuinely not my intention to be rude, but to state my opinion as a consumer. Am I not entitled to my opinion? Are not others, even if they are rude? And again, the "rudeness" in this thread is no worse then the stormraven, dreadknight, <insert other polarizing mini releases>. Why should they get special treatment?

Kroothawk wrote:Bitspudlo just posted his Rhino conversion kit with a new dozer blade and guess what: Nobody cares about IP.

Yep, no one cares.. Because their stuff is by and large, great quality, while CH is pretty questionable (again, my opinion). Also, notice the posting "tone", if you will, of Tomash and Matus, the sculptors/owners of Bitspudlo and compare that to the CH poster. No troll baiting, no responding to blunt and rather rude critics with subtly written insults, just down to business "here's what I got, thanks for your patronage!" posts and answering questions/concerns from customers.

I do not think what you posted is rude or inflamatory. I dont think I have ever responded negatively to one of your post either. There is a big difference between stating a negative criticism vs rude opinions and trying to force those into everyones mind.

Just for comparison sake.. how is this quality any better then this?

Bit Studios

Chapterhouse


Or better yet these (forget the paint jobs)?
Bitstudio

Chapterhouse


Besides the difference in CAD design and free sculpt, they both have strengths and weaknesses, but again you do not have the angst in those other threads regarding IP, quality ETC.

If someone has a picture of a bad quality item that I have shipped them, please let me know, I have heard nothing but praise from my customers and would like to believe that all the "bad quality" post are from non-customers as evidence has seemed to suggest. I have had to ship out replacement resin pieces that had a bubble or other casting mishaps, but those go off without a hitch (defective merchandise exchange as normal).

Fortunately, we have happy customers that vote with their wallets and keep us solvent vs. the harsh criticism we face at times.

Its funny that 2 of the 4 photos you posted are of products that I own: Your Combi-weapons (which are ace, I admit) and the Thunderwolf from the other bitz guy will be pulling a chariot in my beastmen army as a "counts as" razorgor. To me, that t-wolf is superior to the GW T-wolf and GW's razorgor(not much isn't, I gotta admit despite owning 3 of those ugly things).

When I look at(and judge) your products, I compare like versus like products. Those space wolf doors, no offence intended, don't hold a candle to what Forgeworld has available and would look out of place if you placed a FW upgraded kit next to a rhino using your upgrade kit. There is just a separate level of sculpting ability/technology involved. I feel the same about maxmini, paulsons 40k centric weapons when placed next to yours. They just look better to be perfectly blunt. Again, thats just my opinion, take from it what you will.

Chapterhouse wrote:I dont think I have ever responded negatively to one of your post either.

No you haven't, nor was I ever fishing for a reponse, but you have lowered yourself to the level of some of the more vitriolic and vocal critics and responded in kind, which as I state, is a completely different "tone" to what most of these other bitz companies have on this forum. And it probably costs you some business.

As a non-biased individual that owns a "Space Elves" collection, and happily purchases third-party bits, and feels that CH is free to make "Melter Gunz" or "Stabbing Arachnid Powergloves" or whatever they feel like selling, I would like to state my completely unbiased opinion that the Doomseer's arms are too long, and that makes it look bad, and saying "Yeah, but they're aliens though!" isn't a freebie excuse to make things that look awkward - there is a difference between "rule of cool" and something that just looks ''off''. For example, the sword arm (is it a "Ghost Sword" or is a "Song Sword" or is it a "Shrieking Spearsword?") should barely have any forearm sticking out from the arm robes. If that was done people would probablly be able to overlook the fact that the hand would have nearly as much volume as her skull. Proportions don't have to be 100% accurate, but they have to be convincing, and those arms are out of place enough to make the model look off. You fix that, maybe throw in a couple more evil-looking bits, and you've gone from me not liking the mini to buying 3 to turn into a haemonculi coven, at a time when there aren't many new models for that sort of thing. That's useful information to CH.

And really, all the hand-wringing about people complaining (read:potential consumers giving feedback) is just as bad, if not worse, than the people complaining in the first place. A thread that consists of two pages of "OH YEAH! ILL BUY ONE!" "LOL CH STOP TAKING MY MONEY" "SWEET I CAN'T WAIT TO ORDER THIS" would be a stale echochamber, and would deprive CH of any sort of understanding as to why this model might sell less than another given kit they would produce. I suppose it's unfortunate that every thread can't be people sitting around talking about how awesome everything you like is, but other people get to display their opinions too.

And really, if someone has a problem, the onus isn't necessarily on them to write a 4-page art critique about the model. If it looks bad, and they indicate it looks bad, then CH can decide if it wants to try to find out why these people think it looks bad so that CH can try to get their money. This isn't a church suggestion box, it's a forum where businesses are showcasing their products to potential consumers.

NELS1031 wrote:Its funny that 2 of the 4 photos you posted are of products that I own: Your Combi-weapons (which are ace, I admit) and the Thunderwolf from the other bitz guy will be pulling a chariot in my beastmen army as a "counts as" razorgor. To me, that t-wolf is superior to the GW T-wolf and GW's razorgor(not much isn't, I gotta admit despite owning 3 of those ugly things).

When I look at(and judge) your products, I compare like versus like products. Those space wolf doors, no offence intended, don't hold a candle to what Forgeworld has available and would look out of place if you placed a FW upgraded kit next to a rhino using your upgrade kit. There is just a separate level of sculpting ability/technology involved. I feel the same about maxmini, paulsons 40k centric weapons when placed next to yours. They just look better to be perfectly blunt. Again, thats just my opinion, take from it what you will.

Chapterhouse wrote:I dont think I have ever responded negatively to one of your post either.

No you haven't, nor was I ever fishing for a reponse, but you have lowered yourself to the level of some of the more vitriolic and vocal critics and responded in kind, which as I state, is a completely different "tone" to what most of these other bitz companies have on this forum. And it probably costs you some business.

True, we dont have the luxury of using 3-ups like some companies nor do we have a dedicated 3D artist. I do not think I have ever compared ourselves to FW in quality of sculpt (though I do think our materials are superior), my company is still in its infancy and exploring different techs and using new artist. I prefer to find artist as they are developing and seeing how that turns out. Will our stuff be perfect? Probably not, but it will be another option for the player base if they choose to use it.

Honestly I don't think the FW doors were even sculpted at the 28mm size, I think these were 3D designed (just from looking at the sharp and uniform angles) or 3-upped. Still I think our doors are good quality and I hear that from the customers as well.

Forgeworld Space Wolf Rhino Doors - $17.00


Chapterhouse Wolf Doors for GW Rhino Kit - $15.00


Chapterhouse Wolf Doors and Armor kit for GW Rhino kit - $16.50


To me (and I hope others) their is value in many different options. Id rather have 3 different rhino kits on the field vs 1 on all my rhinos. I also try to give a bit more value for the money vs FW when I can.

I think an important distinction should be made in presentation. This is our fault, as we have a cheap web design working for us at the moment as well as many old bad photos (done by myself). We are working on this, and in fact have a new design in the process and 3 new painters on board. I will also be using a much better photo presentation with the new website as well.

MikeMcSomething wrote:As a non-biased individual that owns a "Space Elves" collection, and happily purchases third-party bits, and feels that CH is free to make "Melter Gunz" or "Stabbing Arachnid Powergloves" or whatever they feel like selling, I would like to state my completely unbiased opinion that the Doomseer's arms are too long, and that makes it look bad, and saying "Yeah, but they're aliens though!" isn't a freebie excuse to make things that look awkward - there is a difference between "rule of cool" and something that just looks ''off''. For example, the sword arm (is it a "Ghost Sword" or is a "Song Sword" or is it a "Shrieking Spearsword?") should barely have any forearm sticking out from the arm robes. If that was done people would probablly be able to overlook the fact that the hand would have nearly as much volume as her skull. Proportions don't have to be 100% accurate, but they have to be convincing, and those arms are out of place enough to make the model look off.

And really, all the hand-wringing about people complaining (read:potential consumers giving feedback) is just as bad, if not worse, than the people complaining in the first place. A thread that consists of two pages of "OH YEAH! ILL BUY ONE!" "LOL CH STOP TAKING MY MONEY" "SWEET I CAN'T WAIT TO ORDER THIS" would be a stale echochamber, and would deprive CH of any sort of understanding as to why this model might sell less than another given kit they would produce. I suppose it's unfortunate that every thread can't be people sitting around talking about how awesome everything you like is, but other people get to display their opinions too.

And really, if someone has a problem, the onus isn't necessarily on them to write a 4-page art critique about the model. If it looks bad, and they indicate it looks bad, then CH can decide if it wants to try to find out why these people think it looks bad so that CH can try to get their money. This isn't a church suggestion box, it's a forum where businesses are showcasing their products to potential consumers.

I agree with you on all accounts. I look for criticism and utilize it when its constructive (such as yours and many others), but there is a distinct line between giving upfront critiques and being an ass (and people are intelligent enough to know they are doing this). Thanks for the feedback, I hope the next mini does it more for you.

Dear CH , i think most of the arguments can be prevented if something like this was the response.

Dear valued customer we appreciate and welcome all feed back to further improve Chapter House's product quality so we may continue to serve you well into the future and beyond.