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 Makutsu wrote:

Well, I personally don't care about painted armies or not.

I don't keep track either but for me I do notice that my opponent's stuff progresses in terms of painting wise.
Like his Wraith Lord was unprimed last time, and then it is this time.
Like you notice a bit by bit and by the end you'll see a fully painted army.
At least I noticed that when I play with the people at the FLGS

It's kinda obvious when you have a full grey army with nothing primed every game that you play with them too.
Not that it matters but you do notice though.

Thanks for the reasoned response...my comment was more tongue in cheek but I realize I completely missed putting any smilies in. Would have been understandable for you to just blast back.

I get you though...just seemed like you were paying closer attention based on what you wrote.

Skriker


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 Citizen Luka wrote:
Hearing players state 'I can't paint, I'm rubbish' is saddening. EVERYONE has to start somewhere.

Fair enough - you don't have time, or don't like painting, or are physically unable to (injury, no space etc).

But if you are not bothering because of a few unsatisfactory results - 'giving up' - you should keep trying!

While a gifted few paint amazingly well right off the bat, generally mini painting is a practiced and acquired skill. So the more you do it the better you get most definitely. Yeah I give the same caveats for being physically unable to paint. That is one that is not easy to get around, but if you actually have the time to spend painting, then practicing is the one thing that will make it better. Few of us have enough time in the day to paint as much as the heavy metal painters who get paid to paint minis all day, but a little practice goes a long way. Heck some of us have no time to paint most days at all.

Two things that will improve your abilities and give better results are good brushes bought at an art/craft store and not the brushes they sell at a typical hobby store and good paints. GW's paints are actually pretty decent. Two other good options are vallejo which has a massive color range available and paints from the Foundry in the UK which are designed for the really lazy detail painter. The foundry paints come in 3 bottle color palettes: Base Color, Shade Color and Hightlight Color. I couldn't tell you the last time I actually felt the need to mix any colors together I have so many options already available.

Skriker

I'm a modeler first and a gamer second

I would much prefer to play against a nicely painted army, but wouldn't refuse an unpainted or partly painted army.

However, I will not bend on WYSIWYG. if you're army isn't assembled then I've got no candy for you

Frogomatik wrote:
I'm a modeler first and a gamer second

I would much prefer to play against a nicely painted army, but wouldn't refuse an unpainted or partly painted army.

However, I will not bend on WYSIWYG. if you're army isn't assembled then I've got no candy for you

I'd say this fella's summarising my views on the matter nicely. Sure, I like to paint, but I know how long it takes to finish a whole army, and I've no problem playing someone halfway through or even just starting such a project.
WYSIWYG, in relation to actually assembled models, means I probably won't play a unit that's just legs. If the unit's fully assembled, and it's made clear what it has, again, I've no problems with the other player using them if they're unpainted.

I'll allow proxies in most friendly games (to the extent that an empty base is an allowable proxy).

rigeld2 wrote:
I'll allow proxies in most friendly games (to the extent that an empty base is an allowable proxy).

I'm not adverse to proxies within reason. Want to try a new predator weapon kit out before buying another model, no biggie. Want to try out a different heavy weapon kit out in a unit of devastators that are modeled with different weapons, no biggie. Want to try out a new unit before investing no problem either, though if they are empty bases writing with a paint pen on them what they each represent would be nice. Only have tactical marine minis, and want to use them to represent units of tacticals, assault marines, devastators, sternguard, etc all at the same time in the same army then no thanks.

There are proxies and then there are people who just don't want to buy their army. Former is fine for me as long as the army is otherwise for the most part WYSIWYG, but if you want to proxie your entire army you either need to get your other minis built or get into a different hobby. That said I have played against folks using 100% paper armies figs that are printed and based and approximate the proper height of the models, and were readily and easily identifiable as what they are and have also played folks who did that to bulk up their force so that we could play a much larger game than usual. In both cases I didn't have a problem at all. The games were still fun, and interesting. I am generally fine as long as I can Identify the units and the weapons they are using without much effort.

Skriker

Sure - for example, until I decide on the loadout I want for my marines I'm using Genestealers for assault marines, termagants for tacticals, etc. with empty bases for filler/sergeants/etc.

Some models I've built but not attached arms. I only use this army in games with close friends - because it's proxied and bad in every way

 Skriker wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
I'll allow proxies in most friendly games (to the extent that an empty base is an allowable proxy).

I'm not adverse to proxies within reason. Want to try a new predator weapon kit out before buying another model, no biggie. Want to try out a different heavy weapon kit out in a unit of devastators that are modeled with different weapons, no biggie. Want to try out a new unit before investing no problem either, though if they are empty bases writing with a paint pen on them what they each represent would be nice. Only have tactical marine minis, and want to use them to represent units of tacticals, assault marines, devastators, sternguard, etc all at the same time in the same army then no thanks.

There are proxies and then there are people who just don't want to buy their army. Former is fine for me as long as the army is otherwise for the most part WYSIWYG, but if you want to proxie your entire army you either need to get your other minis built or get into a different hobby. That said I have played against folks using 100% paper armies figs that are printed and based and approximate the proper height of the models, and were readily and easily identifiable as what they are and have also played folks who did that to bulk up their force so that we could play a much larger game than usual. In both cases I didn't have a problem at all. The games were still fun, and interesting. I am generally fine as long as I can Identify the units and the weapons they are using without much effort.

Skriker

I guess the TL;DR version, all in all, is that as long as it's cleared beforehand, test proxies are alright.
If that's the case, then I'd probably agree. Though nobody wants to play against paper armies, everyone wants to test out an army list now and again, and sometimes you can help out a pal by letting him test out a unit or two.