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 Mr Morden wrote:
Wouldn't it be cool if you could equip your custom chapter marines with Chainswords - Oh no sorry ONLY Wolves do cos..well we have to make them different so they stay a bit different.
How about Psychic Dreadnoughts - OH no thats a super special Blood Angels thing...can;t possibly let anyone have those even if the lore says so.
Terminator Sergeants for Iron Hands - Nope Wolves only
Black Dragon Mutants - nope Wolves only
Elite Bikers - nope Dark Angels only.

All of the above should just be purchasable unit options for any/all Marine Chapters - don't like an option, don't use it same as I refuse to use the new Wulfen models, Thunder Wolves and Santa Logan. That was everyone gains and NO-ONE loses.

That's very compatible with my solution. New keyword isn't new wargear options. I mean, those special keywords and stratagem aren't necessary per se, but now even Sisters of Battle and Harlequin get faction-specific stratagem so that wouldn't be too bad.

SO given all we have been through here-the BIG question-

I assume those who play marines (since non-marine armies are not subject to the doctrine rules-my mechanicus could care less)

have a collection of units they enjoy playing with in whatever the standard meta/points are for the local area they game in.. will this attempt by GW to make you play their version of a "balanced" marine list force you to change your force?

I for one have no intention of changing a thing. i play what i like because they are the units i enjoy using . i have been playing basically the same style of list since 5th edition for my marines with small tweaks to fit into the newer rules requirements.

Aphyon, did you change your army because of the new doctrine system? If you didn't, then of course I don't expect you to change now that the doctrine system has been amended. The changes are clearly targeted at people who decided to go all in on heavy weapons because of the new doctrine system. They want those people to change back to a combined arms approach.

No i didn't change it for doctrines it just so happened that my list has always been focused on the heavy weapons side because my favorite models to play since 5th ed let me take them as troops (thanks badab war book 11) have always been dreadnoughts. i generally run 6 in every 2K list along with a stormhawk a storm eagle ROC and some form of techmarine (usually on a bike-i kit bashed my own) as the core of my force because i absolutely love the look of the minis......heck i bought a FW macharius heavy tank simply because i had to have the model...i don't even play guard.


The tweaks i talk about are switching the loadout on my ironclads from double heavy flamer/DCCW/seismic hammer to chainfist/hurricane bolter since my arms can't get blown off in this edition, so no fear of loosing my CC ability....and the hammers old AP1 rule doesn't really matter anymore like it did on the vehicle damage chart back in 5th when i built them originally.