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 jah-joshua wrote:

Spoiler:

Super Newb wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Speaking about Grimnar himself, disregarding the Chariot, does anyone prefer the old Grimnar model? I certainly do.

The old Logan model looks like the poor old guy has terrible posture. It was sculpted by someone who has no concept of human anatomy OR they hate Logan and wanted him to look like an old man with a spine problem.

first of all, the first Logan was sculpted by Jes Goodwin, who is the master of Space Marine sculpting...
he brought it to the Amsterdam store for an open day in 2000, before it was released, and was very proud of how he presented this aggresive character...

second, i see a charging berzerker, not a hunched old man...
i was blown away when i held the master model in my hands that day...
it was the first action packed Terminator armored sculpt GW ever released...
the new one may be bigger, but he is not better, as far as i'm concerned...

i think you must be misremembering the mini, or only seeing it from a bad angle...
here is my 360 view of the model...
are you telling me that this charging Termie looks like an old man with a spine problem???



personally, i prefer the original, but i'm sure i'll end up painting the new one for somebody...

cheers
jah

One, you seem to have a huge issue with someone else expressing their opinion. Methinks you protest too much.
Two, the position of Logan's head relative to his waist and arms makes him look like he has a spine problem

I do like the older Grimnar, but I do prefer the more ornate look of the new one. Compare his 'current' model to the likes of Calgar, Dante and Seth and he doesn't really look the part of a Chapter Master. Azreal has the same issue, although both him and Logan are still cool minis.

 insaniak wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
[i think you must be misremembering the mini, or only seeing it from a bad angle...
here is my 360 view of the model...
are you telling me that this charging Termie looks like an old man with a spine problem???

Uh... yes?

Seriously, look at those pictures. His shoulders are level with his head.

Yup. And look at how close his head is to his waist. Look at how long his legs are and then compare that to the distance between his head and waist He has the tiniest torso ever lol.

so as we get further along, and i do not see any new long fang pictures or rumors i begin to lose hope...

I thought someone said it was confirmed Long fangs would get some sort of freeze cannon? That got my hopes up...

Confirmed only exists with pictures. There were lots of rumors. Almost none of them panned out. Little Bird was the only reliable source. And I still hope those rumors pan out. But I'm not expecting them to.

Terminator priest?

Looks like a conversion using the existing terminator kit, no?

 Sidstyler wrote:
Looks like a conversion using the existing terminator kit, no?

Just found out it is indeed a conversation model.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Looks like a conversion using the existing terminator kit, no?

Agree. The details are minimal on this pic, but the cape is clearly from the standard WGT box.

MadMuzza wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Looks like a conversion using the existing terminator kit, no?

Just found out it is indeed a conversation model.

It definitely has sparked some conversation, but yeah it is a conversion.

Not a bad conversion. Uses the new Ven Dread skull head, which looks decent. Not as good as a new model, but still cool.

 Fayric wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Looks like a conversion using the existing terminator kit, no?

Agree. The details are minimal on this pic, but the cape is clearly from the standard WGT box.

Yeah, I'm definitely going to have to convert one of those up now.

i could maybe see using the chariot if it had robotic wolves rather than flesh anybody know of some alternates that don't look like bullet magnets

scroll back in the thread, somebody posted some pretty good ones they were going to swap in

 dekinrie wrote:
i could maybe see using the chariot if it had robotic wolves rather than flesh anybody know of some alternates that don't look like bullet magnets

There some cool looking Juganaught conversions earlier on i think

Over all I like the new release their are some small things here and there that iam not sure about. The chariot and the face on the Dred there ok but not my favorite. I like the opportunity it gives me to make some kinds of new conversation. It give me high hope when I get the book and can go though it

Super Newb wrote:

Spoiler:

 jah-joshua wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Speaking about Grimnar himself, disregarding the Chariot, does anyone prefer the old Grimnar model? I certainly do.

The old Logan model looks like the poor old guy has terrible posture. It was sculpted by someone who has no concept of human anatomy OR they hate Logan and wanted him to look like an old man with a spine problem.

first of all, the first Logan was sculpted by Jes Goodwin, who is the master of Space Marine sculpting...
he brought it to the Amsterdam store for an open day in 2000, before it was released, and was very proud of how he presented this aggresive character...

second, i see a charging berzerker, not a hunched old man...
i was blown away when i held the master model in my hands that day...
it was the first action packed Terminator armored sculpt GW ever released...
the new one may be bigger, but he is not better, as far as i'm concerned...

i think you must be misremembering the mini, or only seeing it from a bad angle...
here is my 360 view of the model...
are you telling me that this charging Termie looks like an old man with a spine problem???



personally, i prefer the original, but i'm sure i'll end up painting the new one for somebody...

cheers
jah

One, you seem to have a huge issue with someone else expressing their opinion. Methinks you protest too much.
Two, the position of Logan's head relative to his waist and arms makes him look like he has a spine problem

how do i have a "huge issue"???
i simply have a different opinion, and presented an anecdote to back up my opinion, and a picture to illustrate what i see...
i don't see any issue with the sculpting of this mini that is not present in every other Termie sculpt to date, as Insaniak said, they have their shoulders around their ears...
that's a problem all Termies have had...

i didn't make this personal, so why are you???
try being a little more civil, and i may take you more seriously...

cheers
jah

Put those one-hundred-metres-tall quotes in spoiler tags, for the love of God.

How many arguments is that now.

A lot

 jah-joshua wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

One, you seem to have a huge issue with someone else expressing their opinion. Methinks you protest too much.
Two, the position of Logan's head relative to his waist and arms makes him look like he has a spine problem

how do i have a "huge issue"???
i simply have a different opinion, and presented an anecdote to back up my opinion, and a picture to illustrate what i see...
i don't see any issue with the sculpting of this mini that is not present in every other Termie sculpt to date, as Insaniak said, they have their shoulders around their ears...
that's a problem all Termies have had...

i didn't make this personal, so why are you???
try being a little more civil, and i may take you more seriously...

I'm civil and please stop with the persecution complex. I said huge issue (which is another opinion btw) because I made a very short comment about the location of Logan's head on the old model and you respond with a long ass post, including a ton of pictures of the model that don't even show his head! If you were secure in your opinion you would perhaps not have done that, perhaps you would have realized that you shared your opinion, I shared mine and the two opinions are not the same. I am not sure why you made a comment about taking me seriously, do you think I am joking? I'm not. I just don't agree with you. Which is fine. At least I think so. You seem to have an issue with it.

Anyway, I've seen plenty of sculpts that don't look like the man inside the armor has massive spine problems. If you think all of them are as bad as the old Logan well then I don't know what to tell you - I disagree. Even if old Logan was armless and shoulder-pad-less he *still* isn't the proper proportions, seeing as how his legs, torso and head position don't work relative to each other at all. But hey, if you like how old Logan looks, more power to you. I made my own Logan because I thought the actual old model was so horrendously bad proportion-wise. The new Logan appears to have proper anatomy which I approve of. I don't need to buy the new one either seeing as I already have my own. Yeah, so that's it.

Seriously, guys, enough. New shiny!

Oooo shinies....

Also can anybody tell me about the venerable dread shields? Is it just storm shield for the dread in all facings?

It's storm shield for the dreadnaught, but only on front facing.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Oooo shinies....

Also can anybody tell me about the venerable dread shields? Is it just storm shield for the dread in all facings?

The shield is called Blizzard Shield, provides a 3++ save on the front facing and counts as a CCW with AP 2.

Edit: Clarification.

It is both a storm shield on the front facing and counts as a CCW with Ap 2! It is really pretty awesome.

Do stormshield for the dread beside only on front is it regular stormshield rules or are they going to be modified do you know?

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's storm shield for the dreadnaught, but only on front facing.

Dang, is that what the leaks have been saying? Front facing only? I hope it doesn't cost many points then... if it does I can always go for the glass cannon-ish Murder McMurderson MurderFangMurder

Front facing only? Sigh.... Okay with everyone having an opinion, but this is getting ridiculous. A storm shield on a dreadnought is awesome. Period. It'll probably get that save in CC as well. This release is amazing, just accept it.

Not only will it probably get that save in CC, but the Blizzard Shield is a CC weapon as well.