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Hi,

don't want to mix up with the other thread (WWP Poll) therefor this new one. Within the other thread people claim the the WWP is impassible terrain and can therefore never be blocked by models moving onto it. This is my understanding as well. However there are people claiming that you could just park a vehicle on it to prevent models coming out of it (mainly stating that the portal is just a flat template you could move on). My main argumentation problem is that the DE FAQ never directly says that it is impassible terrain although it imlpys it.

The only thing I can come up with is the description of how to surround the portal to block it. This description would be pretty obsolete if you could just move on the portal to block it, wouldn't it ?

Are there any clearer hints you could provide to support the WWP being impassible terrain ?

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Stoni
   
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I'm afraid I'm not able to find the reference to it being impassible however you could say that since it is treated as a piece of your table edge that moving over it would move you off of the table, so deep striking onto it would be like moving/deep striking off the table.

You know... another note about the WWP is that since it acts as the closest board edge, fleeing DE have to flee towards the portal... that's if it's the closest board edge.

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I think we're getting a little far afield from what the codex and the FAQ says about the WWP.

The FAQ says "Think of the portal marker as a small piece of your own table edge. Models move onto the table from the portal marker, measuring from its edge as they would if they entered the table normally."

Note, it does not say "The edge of the portal is your table edge." Nor does it say "Treat the portal as your table edge." The FAQ is merely a clarification of how to move troops onto the board from the WWP, this being the only time in the rules that the WWP is thought of (using the FAQ's terminology) as a table edge. The DE WWP is not the same as the old Ulthwe' Strike Force portal, which had different rules and specified that troops falling back would move towards the portal.

And to the OP of this thread, I cannot find anything that indicates that the portal is impassible terrain. In my reading, I don't feel that the FAQ even implies this. I've been playing WWP DE or almost five years now, and I never even considered telling an opponent that it was impassible terrain; the thought just never occurred to me from reading the codex and the FAQ.
   
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Perhaps that is where I saw those rules
Saldiven,
Would you let your opponent end his move on the portal?

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So far, it hasn't really come up at a point when it would have made a difference, so I have never prevented it in the past. Though, it comes up so rarely, that I don't even think about it much.
   
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I agree with Saldiven,

I've been playing DE for awhile, and its never come up (at least not when it would matter). If I'm dropping it, I'm using it (and usually have two), so its unlikely to ever be an issue (ditto the argument about surrounding it, I've never had it happen to me), even against horde Nids.

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So you aren't sure the WWP is impassable terrain?

Ok, it isn't really impassable terrain.

It's the board edge.

You cannot move off of the board edge voluntarily.

You can only be forced off the board edge when falling back (Page 49) or if you deep strike off the table (Page 84).

So, it isn't impassable--it's the grey murky 'off table' since the ENTIRE circumference of the blast marker is "my board edge" no one can exit it except:

My own troops, falling back.

Your troops, IF you are on MY side of the blast marker, AND get forced back, AND there are other troops in the way AND your direct path to your own board edge would take you through the WWP AND force you to 'double back'.

That's it. No one else can enter a board edge. If you don't believe so, well, go ahead and argue it but I'm not going to argue such a basic point.

   
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Did this really need a second thread?

Can you D.I.G. it? 
   
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Stelek wrote:It's the board edge.

You cannot move off of the board edge voluntarily.


Is there a rule in the book that states this?
   
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No, there is a clarification that says to "think of [the wwp]" as board edge for measuring the movement of troops entering from reserve.

People just keep trying to take this limited time when we are to "think of" the WWP as board edge to mean that it acts as a board edge in all other cases, too.

There is nothing in the codex or FAQ that says, definitively, that the WWP is a board edge. If they wanted it to be always treated as board edge, they would have clarified it to work more in line with how the old USF portal worked (troops fled toward it, etc.).
   
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GW doesn't clarify what is 'obvious'. If you don't know this by now, well, yay for you.

If you aren't supposed to treat the WWP as your board edge what is it then?

Right, then it's nothing. So thank goodness they went to all that trouble to say think of it like your board edge.

You're right up there with tarval, ain't ya. They don't mean "it is" they mean "think it is".

You guys make me cry.

   
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Democratus wrote:
Stelek wrote:It's the board edge.

You cannot move off of the board edge voluntarily.


Is there a rule in the book that states this?


Yes, under falling back in the CC rules.

I sure hope one of the three stooges can tell us how it only applies in CC, so you can 'fly' off the board edge and appear somewhere else.

lolol

   
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Stelek, you answered your own question.

Yes, for all other purposes besides determining how models move onto the board from reserves, the WWP is treated as nothing. This is so because there is noplace in the codex or the FAQ that says to treat it as anything other than a reference for where models enter play from reserves.

Doing anythign else is an assumption.
   
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It's a board edge, it can't be blocked.

How could you think of it as a board edge that you can drive over?... Can you think of any normal situations you could voluntarily drive over regular board edges Salviden?

Right?
   
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Come on, Augustus. Nobody wants to see reason, they just want to be 'right'.

I know the last time I flew off the table edge and reappeared behind his tanks with my raiders, my opponent was quite impressed with my feat.

Then he made me play by the rules.

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