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going for troop heavy, characteristic army that will let me paint my brains out and win a game here and there. i am tempted to just get as many plague marines as i can but that is not fun to buy or paint lol.
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HQ
-chaos lord - mark of nurgle, terminator armour, pair of lightning claws. (typhus no matter how great seems way too expensive) 150

ELITE
-chaos terminators - 5, nurgle icon, champ with chain fist. 215
-chaos terminators - 5, nurgle icon, champ with chain fist. (temped to take autocannon, cant justify it ) 215

TROOPS
-Plague marines - 7, 2 meltas, rhino (figured throwing the p.fist in there with the meltas was overkill. is the champ with melta bombs too much?) 216
-Plague marines - 7, 2 meltas, rhino (same above, any need to beef up rhino?) 216
-Plague marines - 10, 2 flamers (nice and meaty for holding the heavily fought for obj. and tie up big hq squads. is a beefy champ worth it) 240
-Plague marines - 5, champ w/ power wep and/or plas pistol, 2 plasma guns. rhino (anti armour/ too costly for its own good?) 210

HEAVY SUPPORT
-Predator - lascannon, side h.bolters (havoks w/nurg and oblitz are too rich for my blood. and conversion oprotunities are high with pred. acc?) 135


a. another hq eh.. not so much
b. beef up termies eh.... or drop them down to 4 mans and have 3 squads.
c. chop the plasma squad out and build two 7 man walking plaguemarine squads. for sheer size purposes.
d. forget all this crap and minimize equiptment and increase squad #'s and size to max.
ofcourse i could always keep these all in mind and use the last pts. to build a sideboard.

Man, I participated in the GT Heat 1, Ger, and I faced three DG armies (report at 40kOnline).
These armies are very popular these days.

I like your army as it is rather fluffy.
Give Chaos Lord wings and take 8 men PM squads, even numbered squads are better if you play with VPs;
the favoured number is no longer in effect, thanks GW.
Rhinos need no upgrades, simply take them as moving hills to reduce incoming fire.
The objective-grabber unit should have plasma guns due to their longer range.

Thank you for the help. yeah i have been playing death gaurd for quite some time its just now that i am finally revamping to the 4th ed.
I would take the wings but i am liking the tactical dreadnought armour fluff wise and for the overall army appearance.
i use the rhinos for a first turn move and then just clog up shooting lanes or block objectives.


HQ
Chaos Lord - mark of nurgle, terminator armour, pair or lightning claws. 150pts.
ELITE
Chaos Terminators - 4 mark of nurgle, champ with chain fist 180 pts.
Chaos Terminators - 4 mark of nurgle, champ with chain fist 180 pts.
TROOPS
Plague marines - 8, 2 meltas, rhino 204 + 35
Plague marines - 8, 2 meltas, rhino 204 + 35
Plague marines - 8, 2 plasma, rhino 214 + 35
Plague marines - 6, 2 plasma, champion w/ p.wepon, rhino 198 + 35 (fluff wise the champion would be a hot headed field commander with a more intense than normal hatred for things with 3+ armour saves.)
HEAVY SUPPORT
Chaos predator - las cannon, h.bolters 135pts.


I dropped the 10 man for a 8 man. 10 plague marines feels like overkill to me. maby it isnt. (probably something i will have to test play.)
this leaves me with 145 pts to play with.

another Predator?
make them all 10 man squads?
fluff the list up with champions?
pump one of the termie squads to 6?

If you're going for a Death Guard theme it might be something to leave the armour at home and take Havocs with special weapons like Plasma Guns, Melta Guns, and Flamethrowers. With an Icon of Nurgle, o'course.

if the squad takes the nurgle icon can they use heavy weapons now or are they restricted to assault weapons still? i keep looking over the codex and i dont see anything that says i cant take heavy weapons.

Get some powerfists in all your plague marine squads, the lascannon + 2hb kit out on the predator is wasteful as it must fire all of its weapons at the same target. You generally want to have all of the weapons be weapons that fire at similar targets. So if you want anti troop, take the autocannon turret instead. Or, you could drop the tank altogether and grab yourself a couple of obliterators.

murderotica: The squad can use Heavy Weapons.

once again, thank you for the help everyone.
I am definitely dropping the predator. its not the right thing for what i am doing.
The havoc squad will be more resilliant and have more fire power anyways.
the question is do i run the squad as a las plas squad?
i feel like the chainfists and meltas and powerfists might be enough. and that i should run them as anti infantry instead. i dunno.

dropping the predator gives me 280pts.
squad power fists and havoc squad?

Some autocannons might be an idea to take down skimmers and Ork vehicles.

HQ
Chaos Lord - mark of nurgle, terminator armour, pair or lightning claws. 150pts.
ELITE
Chaos Terminators - 4 mark of nurgle, champ with chain fist 180 pts.
Chaos Terminators - 4 mark of nurgle, champ with chain fist 180 pts.
TROOPS
Plague marines - 8, champion, powerfist, 2 meltas, rhino 244 + 35
Plague marines - 8, champion, powerfist, 2 meltas, rhino 244 + 35
Plague marines - 8, 2 plasma, rhino 214 + 35
Plague marines - 6, 2 plasma, champion w/ p.wepon, rhino 198 + 35
HEAVY SUPPORT
Havoc squad - 6, nurgle icon, 2 autocannons, 1 heavy bolter. 195

1745pts.

My last suggestion would be to upgrade that Heavy Bolter to a Missile Launcher.

good call.
thank you so much nurglitch and others.
now to get orders into forgeworld. haha

any last change ups and or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

4-man Termie squads with Icons are terribly waseful. So are Termie champs. I suggest dropping the champs and consolidating the squads. The points you save can go towards more bodies, more fists and/or an AC to let the squad do something during those turns spent walking to the enemy.

I have been considering dropping one of the plasma plague marine squads and using the leftover 200 or so points to pump the two terminator squads to 6 man teams. dropping the champs would free up 25 each per squad. thats 5 powerfists total. or one auto cannon each.

that havoc squad is bugging the hell out of me. DG fluff is pretty straight forward about the whole bolter bolter and more bolter thing. dont know how im going to deal with skimmers and the like.

the squads should come in 7's if you want to call yourself nurgle, that would also mean it takes same number of casualties to take them below half, and then you'll save a bunch of points

for things to add to the termies give them 2-3 power fists, and the one reaper.

your absolutely right. and i have no idea why i have been doing 1750's i need 1850's lol


I am really liking where this list is going. Thank you everyone who is helping. I wish i had always been on here to get all this help.

HQ
Chaos lord - terminator armour, nurgle, pair of claws
ELITE
Chaos terminators - 7, reaper, 2 p.fist
Chaos terminators - 7, reaper, 2 p.fist
TROOPS
Plague Marines - 7, champ, p.fist, 2 meltas, rhino
Plague Marines - 7, champ, p.fist, 2 meltas, rhino
Plague Marines - 7, champ, combi plas, 2 plas guns, rhino
HEAVY SUPPORT
Chaos Havocs - 7, nurgle, 2 autocannon, 2 missile launchers


This leaves me with 112 pts.
Another headquarters?
Predator (anti troop)?
Vindicator?
Obliterator?

i'd swap out some oblits for the devastators and the extra points. you could prolly get something like 4-5

i just wish they still had t5 or i could give them a mark... and loose one and the squads at half strength...

Why do you care that the squad will be at half-strength? They're Fearless and half-strength is still scoring.

HQ
Chaos lord - terminator armour, nurgle, plague bringer
ELITE
Chaos terminators - 7, reaper, 2 p.fist
Chaos terminators - 7, reaper, 2 p.fist
TROOPS
Plague Marines - 7, champ, p.fist, 2 meltas, rhino
Plague Marines - 7, champ, p.fist, 2 meltas, rhino
Plague Marines - 7, champ, p.weapon, 2 plas guns, rhino
HEAVY SUPPORT
Obliterator Cult - 2
Obliterator Cult - 2

this leaves me with a whoping 27 pts.

Fist for the third Plague Champ, one more Termie fist, combi-weapon for the Lord.

As long as you're still playing 4th ed, one of those Oblit squads should be split into two squads of 1.

why? 5 ed rumors on split firing?

No, rumours about Kill Points. Two squads of one Oblit will give your opponent twice as many KPs for killing them compared to one squad of two Oblits.

tegeus-Cromis wrote:Why do you care that the squad will be at half-strength? They're Fearless and half-strength is still scoring.

still a scoring unit then, that's all, and unless you play just kill all the time then you need scoring units for objectives and such

oh ok i see. thats kinda.....strange

i usually play objectives

Bastirous, are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? I can't figure it out.

murderotica, yes, it is strange, where "strange" is a euphemism for "stupid." Oh well, what can you do?

yeah i figured "strange" would be a horrendous understatement.
well, i suppose there is no point spending all this money to revamp and army that is going to just get changed up again when 5ed comes out. gw needs too chill out and stop changing things arround including codex layouts ugh.

agreed on that...and what tegeus-Cromis said

Well, you will definitely want the 3 PM squads, so buying and kitting hose out now might be a good idea. You might want a single termie squad and more troops after we all find out exactly how important objectives will be in 5th- but you will definitely want at least your 21 PMs done, and at least 6 termies, I'd think. That seems a safe start.

Yeah, I don't see PMs getting any worse in 5th. What could happen that would make it so?