Some SM Codex rumours.

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**Halfpast_Yellow**

From someone on B&C whose 'friend did him a favour and gave him a peek at the new codex before it was shipped to the printers'.

Ignatius wrote:Thumbed trough the new Marine dex just before it left for the printers. The new dex is finished! Generally you will gets lots of people bemoaning and criticising a new dex from the rumours they hear before it comes out which is silly, but its not all bad at all with the new dex. Now I'm not going to give away what's in it as this all came as a favour, but I can confirm what's not going to be in it as there are lots of new rumours flying around, and confirm some suspected stuff!

I can confirm combat squads, and the free frag, krak and bolt pistols, there are new units and at least 4 new plastic kits one of which is a plastic Crusader the kit has an additional surprise! , and new range of metals. The special characters from the current dex are in there plus a couple more.

As expected the traits are definitely gone, but the rules seem to be flexible enough that they don't need them, and marines now have a new universal special rule (in addition ATSKNF) to which applies to all Space Marines which makes them a little different and adds a new twist the the way they play! There is a section for each of the chapters of legend a bit like the new Eldar codex with the craft worlds but no specific rules for them.

Also had a game of the new 40k and it is much slicker than before (no rules dumbing down just lots of tweaks and stream lining), combat is now very savage and a bit of a blood bath! The codex has been written by Jervis. Don't worry its good! Some people will moan but generally it's a tough codex I would say marine are more competitive than before!

The future is bright the future is POWER ARMOUR!

Chaplain Lucifer wrote:Long shot here: Will that new special rule will apply to DA, BA, BT and SW since they are space marines too?
DA and BT is unlikely as they have their own codex, however Space Wolves (codex not complete) may get it and BA's don't have a codex in a true sence so maybe, but probably not! If BA do get it then they will be a tricky army to game against!

As it stands at the moment, DA, BA and BT's unlikely SW I don't know to be fair!

I'm afraid so no infiltrating devs, in fact I think the only thing that can infiltrate are scouts now!

[re: True grit]No skills or traits I'm afraid!, still you don't have to redo the models just be clear to your opponent they are just aesthetics!

Any chance these special characters change the Fore Orgs DA style? It would suck heartaly if you can now take a White Scars special character as HQ but can't take bikes as troops.
No I'm afraid not! There are no White Scars special characters either! THe bst option would be to use the raven wing rules.

Also cover is Ultramarines, lots of pretty pictures and fluff.

**Polonius**

I call BS. There was pretty much no content to the rumors nor much of anything that hasn't been pretty generally accepted. Every report I've ever seen of a person seeing an actual codex has included a few actual tidbits: a suprising price, a new peice of wargear, the actual text of the bonus rule.

In other news, why would a person who saw the codex "on the way to the printers" also know what kits are being made in plastic? For that matter, what four kits are they going to redo in plastic?

**JohnHwangDD**

So to recap:
+ Combat Squads
+ B&BP
+ Frag & Krak
- Traits
- Veteran Skills
- FOC switcherooos

Hands up, who's surprised by any of the big news?

**Halfpast_Yellow**

Polonius wrote:I call BS. There was pretty much no content to the rumors nor much of anything that hasn't been pretty generally accepted. Every report I've ever seen of a person seeing an actual codex has included a few actual tidbits: a suprising price, a new peice of wargear, the actual text of the bonus rule.

Er, if you were a honest-to-god troll and wanted to spread fake rumours, wouldn't you leak those sorts of 'juicy tidbits'?

New armywide USR that would make BA 'tricky' seems interesting among other 'confirmations' (yeah it's not hard to guess stuff based on design direction, but still..')

In other news, why would a person who saw the codex "on the way to the printers" also know what kits are being made in plastic? For that matter, what four kits are they going to redo in plastic?

Maybe his source is in the know? /shrug.

**carmachu**

Gee, thanks. All that hard work and the idea is "dont redo them, just their aesthetics!"

**Polonius**

It's either somebody actually in the know that is too afraid to actually confirm anything interesting, or somebody retreading the same tired rumors (which aren't really rumors, just common sense predictions of what's going to happen), and since it's from B&C, they get excited about anything Space Marine related.

It could be a GW plant, trying to stir up excitement without tipping their hand in any meaningful way.

It could actually be some random guy who saw the codex, but for some reason feels that he couldn't share the secret new rule....

**Kid_Kyoto**

" The future is bright the future is POWER ARMOUR!"

Unlike the present?
And the past?

**MagickalMemories**

I call shenanigans!

Until Goober McGee over at B&C decides to post something that matters... something solid... I say he's full of crappola.
The only thing those "rumors" did was confirm stuff that was already commonly accepted... and allege some things with nothing to back them up.

Oh... and the cover has Ultramarines.

Who finds that hard to believe? Raise your hands?
Nobody?
Come on. Anyone?
Certainly SOMEONE thought Blood Ravens might make the cover of Codex: Ultra... err... SPACE marines?

:eyeroll:

Eric

**Frazzled**

this looks so bogus its not funny. notice how it doesn't atually say anything.

**Polonius**

jfrazell wrote:this looks so bogus its not funny. notice how it doesn't atually say anything.

Didn't you read? It says that Space Marines are getting a new Rule! Imagine! A whole new rule, just for Space marines. How much more specific could you possibly want?

**Alpharius**

I'm going to hope it is bogus so I can live in hope (and then die in vain) that the 5th edition SM codex will NOT have all of the traits, options, etc. stripped from it.

Yeah, I know.

**George Spiggott**

MagickalMemories wrote:Certainly SOMEONE thought Blood Ravens might make the cover of Codex: Ultra... err... SPACE marines?

Blood Ravens on the cover would probably be a pretty smart move. Doesn't the SM codex release coincide with the release of DoW 2?

This is all the stuff that any half decent GW watcher could have worked out for themselves, however no traits is a bad omen for codex IG. :(

**JohnHwangDD**

George Spiggott wrote:
MagickalMemories wrote:Certainly SOMEONE thought Blood Ravens might make the cover of Codex: Ultra... err... SPACE marines?

Blood Ravens on the cover would probably be a pretty smart move. Doesn't the SM codex release coincide with the release of DoW 2?

This is all the stuff that any half decent GW watcher could have worked out for themselves, however no traits is a bad omen for codex IG. :(

Blood Ravens would have been an inspired choice, but it would portend that there would be yet another SM Codex to cover the UM specifically. And quite frankly, the world doesn't need yet another SM Codex.

**Sgt.Roadkill**

meh after the rape of the new chaos codex the rape of the marine one (i.e the stripping of traits) is no surprise, depsite how unwelcome i will find it cause of the new marine army i started a couple of months before the new chaos dex was released..

And don't forget 3rd ed marine codex had Crimson fists on it so even if its likely the new codex will have Smurfs on it its not a dead certainty.

all pray for the keeping of the specialties

**Necros**

I work at the printing company, we just received the Quark files today. There really is a new rule for marines, he's not lying... It's pretty simple, marines role a d6 at the beginning of the game, and consult the chart on page 32. The chart says on a roll of 2-6, marines win. if you roll a 1, you actually have to play. But then it get's tricky if you're both playing marines, you have to keep rolling till someone gets a 1, then that person loses. But as usual the rules are unclear and it doesn't say what happens if both marine players roll 1's. Maybe you have to scrap the army and start play chaos?

**Aristotle**

As expected the traits are definitely gone, but the rules seem to be flexible enough that they don't need them, and marines now have a new universal special rule (in addition ATSKNF) to which applies to all Space Marines which makes them a little different and adds a new twist the the way they play! There is a section for each of the chapters of legend a bit like the new Eldar codex with the craft worlds but no specific rules for them.

If these rumors are actually true I wouldn't be suprised if they moved all SM codexs into the one.

which means no more BT's SW or BR armies that aren't just smurfs in disquise

**JohnHwangDD**

Aristotle wrote:
As expected the traits are definitely gone, ...

If these rumors are actually true I wouldn't be suprised if they moved all SM codexs into the one.

which means no more BT's SW or BR armies that aren't just smurfs in disquise

That is where you are mistaken. Removing Traits is precisely what allows BA, BT, DA, and SW to be different from vanilla SM. With those Codices, you can do things that simply aren't possible with a vanilla SM force. BA can have more than 3 Assault Squads. DA can have more than 3 Terminator or Bike Squads. And so on.

The new approach makes it much clearer what things are common to Loyalists (B&BP&, Combat Squads), what kinds of divergence is permissable (Death Company, Deathwing, Ravenwing), and what constitutes actual Heresy (B&BP&CCW, 6 to 9-man line squads).

**Nurglitch**

The new Space Marine special rule should be what differentiates the Codex chapters from deviants like Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolfs, and Black Templars.

I'm really curious as to what this rule will be.

**Darkness**

It would be neat if they have a special rule. However I find it hard to believe that the codex has just made it to the printers and no one else has seen it. Also, as the rumored release date for 5th is what august? Wouldnt that mean now is too early for Marines to go to the printers?

**JohnHwangDD**

I'm going to guess that the new special rule is that Scout squads of 10 models may be taken as Troops instead of Elites.

**Hellfury**

Darkness wrote: Also, as the rumored release date for 5th is what august? Wouldnt that mean now is too early for Marines to go to the printers?

5th ed in july. French GD video showed GW displaying a advert video of it coming out in july. Which makes it pretty close to that 3 month mark.

[edit]

here is the video:
http://rapidshare.com/files/109079772/v5preview.avi.html

**Nurglitch**

If a Company Captain takes the option of Scout Armour, that would finally allow people to take those Scout Companies.

**Ozymandias**

Also, the current WD has a 2-page spread about something happening in 40k in July.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

**Tacobake**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Aristotle wrote:
As expected the traits are definitely gone, ...

If these rumors are actually true I wouldn't be suprised if they moved all SM codexs into the one.

which means no more BT's SW or BR armies that aren't just smurfs in disquise

That is where you are mistaken. Removing Traits is precisely what allows BA, BT, DA, and SW to be different from vanilla SM. With those Codices, you can do things that simply aren't possible with a vanilla SM force. BA can have more than 3 Assault Squads. DA can have more than 3 Terminator or Bike Squads. And so on.

The new approach makes it much clearer what things are common to Loyalists (B&BP&, Combat Squads), what kinds of divergence is permissable (Death Company, Deathwing, Ravenwing), and what constitutes actual Heresy (B&BP&CCW, 6 to 9-man line squads).

more importantly, BA get Assault squads as Troop. DA get terminators and ravenwing as troop.

Plastic kits:
1) Drop pod (finally, it's only been what 20 years?)
2) Crusader
3) There is supposed to be a new tank.
4) uhhh ... veterans?

Veterans better not suck.

Boo the loss of truegrit, and veteran skills in general. I don't think veteran skills come under the "everyone always picks the same option" category. 3 pts per model, at 30 pts per 10 man squad is fair, doubly so in the age of the 35 pt rhino or the pricey drop pod.

of course it may not be very fluffy.

**Hellfury**

Nurglitch wrote:If a Company Captain takes the option of Scout Armour, that would finally allow people to take those Scout Companies.

yeah...if GW decides not to make scouts elites as has been rumoured.

**Nurglitch**

I think they're quite likely to make Scouts an Elite choice, much like they're quite likely to give Marines side-arms and the full suite of grenades.

**dienekes96**

Plastic kits:
1) Drop pod (finally, it's only been what 20 years?)
2) Crusader
3) There is supposed to be a new tank.
4) uhhh ... veterans?

My guess:
1) Drop Pod
2) Land Raider Upgrade Sprue - it'd be smart to have another variant besides Crusader on the single sprue...sales and all that.
3) Tac Squad Upgrade Sprue (whatever box it is in, this will just be some armor variant and fun crap for the basic Marines - the Vets, as some are saying, though I think it'll be more universal than that)
4) Terminator Captain (makes sense, as Chaos got that, and I bet it was a huge seller)

I don't see a new tank in the future. The Pods are the big vehicle release. Heard nothing at all on #4. That's just speculation on my part. Heard varying rumors on the others.

**Orlanth**

I an sceptical about this 'rumour' not for what it doesnt really tell you but because it tries to get us to beleive that Jervis has done a really good job. Now thats a tad far fetched!

However I wonder if there will be a 'bolter drill' rule that makes a model with bp and close combat weapon and one with a bolter identicle. You fire the bolter, or assault with an extra attack.

Its the same as giving everyone bolter, bolt pistol and close combat weapon without having to model it. Its better in a way, but I wish there was just a choice and you had to stick with it. After all GW does preach WYSIWYG, they just dont practice it too well.

**Storm Lord**

At tbis rate all space marine chapters (including home grown ones) will have a codex before all the other races get updated ones!

And no traits? That takes away the whole 'uniqueness' of self made chapters, if this is true I'm selling all my marines, or maybe throw them at the designer...

Is it just me or do they seem to be dumbing down the codexes, so armies are going to be very similar from now on?

Grrr...Stupid Space Marines...

Also how many people really play Ultramarines anyway? Most people seem to play with less well known Chapters, or made up ones

**Techboss**

Storm Lord wrote:Is it just me or do they seem to be dumbing down the codexes, so armies are going to be very similar from now on?

I can't wait for Guard to get their doctrines taken away. Once that happens, all the flexible armies will be gone. Bugs will probably end up with more restrictions as well.