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Hello, input is welcome. This is my first attempt at a orc army my buddy told me that games now are standard around 2250 so here goes.

Black Orc Warboss
Heavy armor
Martogs best basha
sword of battle
dispel scroll =206
->orc boys x24 W/standard and musician =135

Gobbo Big Boss
Giant Spider
Lught armor
Sneaky Skewerer
Triksey Trinket
Sword of Might =112
-> Spider Riders x9 W/Standard and musician =135

Goblin Shaman
Staff of spell sealing =105
-> Night Goblin x24 W/ x3 fanatic =147

Savage Orc Big Boss
Battle Standard Bearer
Light Armor =102
->Savage Orc x24 W/musician =197

Night Goblins x25 W/ x3 fanatic =150

Orc Boys x25 W/standard, musician, boss =155

Black Orks x20 W/boss =280

Goblin Spear Chuckers x4 W/ Bullys x4 =160

Trolls x4 =160

Giant =205

Total =2249

If you have gotten this far ill explain some of the choices. The first glaring one is the goblin spider unit, i just like the idea of some goblins on spiders running around stabbing characters the goblin boss' attacks ignore ward saves and give -3 to armor saves. I am a huge fan of fanatics, and dont really see the point of using night gobbos without loading the units out with 3 (this may change with experience but i doubt it.) I NEED to have one monsterous creature (hence the giant). and I went with a savage orc squad for frenzy, seems like a solid choice but im debating fishing up the points for the extra choppas...without that i may as well switch them to regular orcs with extra choppas.

As i said input is welcome, let me know and thanks in advanced for looking.

C

Cynon,

Looks like a promising start. I'll try to critique case by case.

Black Orc Warboss--He can only have one magic weapon. In this case, I would keep Martog's Best Basha and drop the Sword of Battle. He is also not allowed to carry the dispel scroll. Instead, I would kit him out with Martog's Best Basha, Spiteful Shield, Warboss Umm's Best Big Bosses 'At, and Warboss Imbad's Iron Gnashas. I would need to look at the Q&A to see if he can use killing blow with his magic weapon.

Gobbo Big Boss---Again, may only have one magic weapon. In this case, I'd probably keep the Sneaky Skewerer so that he reduces enemy armor saves by 4. I would also strongly consider dropping him for a second shaman with two dispel scrolls. That would improve your chances of using offensive magic while greatly boosting your defensive capabilities (5 dispel dice and 2 scrolls).

BSB--Looks good. I'd look for the points to give him a magic banner.

Your Black Orc unit really needs a full command. All of your line units should be kitted out with full command to keep them in the fight longer.

Given what you've posted as a core, here is how I would modify it. The major difference is the switch of hero choices and dropping one of the regular orc blocks to kit out the commands throughout the army and to give the savage orcs extra hand weapons. That should allow you to lock down enemy formation with the two regular blocks while the black orcs and savage orcs wreck havoc on the opponent.

2250 Pts - Orcs & Goblins Roster - Unnamed

23 Orc Boyz @ 150 Pts
Size Matters - Orcs; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Choppa; Light Armour; Animosity
1 Orc Boss @ [20] Pts
Choppa; Light Armour

23 Orc Boyz @ 150 Pts
Size Matters - Orcs; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Choppa; Light Armour; Animosity
1 Orc Boss @ [20] Pts
Choppa; Light Armour

23 Savage Orc Boyz @ 260 Pts
Size Matters - Orcs; Musician Mus; Choppa; Extra Hand Weapon; Warpaint; Animosity; Frenzy
1 Savage Orc Boss @ [25] Pts
Choppa; Extra Hand Weapon; Warpaint; Frenzy

24 Night Goblins @ 147 Pts
Size Matters - Goblins; Hand Weapon; Shield; Animosity; Fear Elves; Hate Dwarves
3 Fanatics @ [75] Pts

24 Night Goblins @ 147 Pts
Size Matters - Goblins; Hand Weapon; Shield; Animosity; Fear Elves; Hate Dwarves
3 Fanatics @ [75] Pts

19 Black Orcs @ 323 Pts
Size Matters - Black Orcs; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Armed to da Teef; Choppa; Heavy Armour
1 Black Orc Boss @ [33] Pts
Choppa; Heavy Armour; Armed to da Teef
1 War Banner @ [25] Pts

1 Goblin Spear Chukka @ 40 Pts
1 Orc Bully @ [5] Pts
Size Matters - Orcs; Choppa; Light Armour
3 Goblin Crew @ [0] Pts
Size Matters - Goblins; Hand Weapon; Fear Elves

1 Goblin Spear Chukka @ 40 Pts
1 Orc Bully @ [5] Pts
Size Matters - Orcs; Choppa; Light Armour
3 Goblin Crew @ [0] Pts
Size Matters - Goblins; Hand Weapon; Fear Elves

1 Goblin Spear Chukka @ 40 Pts
1 Orc Bully @ [5] Pts
Size Matters - Orcs; Choppa; Light Armour
3 Goblin Crew @ [0] Pts
Size Matters - Goblins; Hand Weapon; Fear Elves

1 Goblin Spear Chukka @ 40 Pts
1 Orc Bully @ [5] Pts
Size Matters - Orcs; Choppa; Light Armour
3 Goblin Crew @ [0] Pts
Size Matters - Goblins; Hand Weapon; Fear Elves

4 Trolls @ 160 Pts
Hand Weapon; Causes Fear; Regenerate; Stupid

1 Giant @ 205 Pts
Causes Terror; Ignore Greenskin Panic; Large Target; Stubborn

7 Forest Goblin Spider Riders @ 142 Pts
Size Matters - Goblins; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Short Bow; Spear; Shield; Animosity; Fast Cavalry; Fear Elves
1 Spider Rider Boss @ [26] Pts
Hand Weapon; Short Bow; Spear; Shield
8 Giant Spider @ [0] Pts
Poisoned Attacks

1 Black Orc Warboss @ 251 Pts
General; Quell Animosity; Size Matters - Black Orcs; Heavy Armour
1 Martog's Best Basha @ [15] Pts
1 Spiteful Shield @ [25] Pts
1 Warboss Umm's Best Big Boss's 'At @ [30] Pts
1 Warboss Imbad's Iron Gnashas @ [30] Pts

1 Black Orc Big Boss (Battle Standard Bearer) @ 139 Pts
Quell Animosity; Size Matters - Black Orcs; Armed to da Teef; Heavy Armour; Battle Standard Bearer
1 Gork's Waaagh! Banner @ [25] Pts

1 Goblin Shaman @ 140 Pts
Size Matters - Goblins; Level 2 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Fear Elves
1 Staff of Sneaky Stealin' @ [50] Pts

1 Goblin Shaman @ 140 Pts
Size Matters - Goblins; Level 2 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Fear Elves
1 Dispel Scroll @ [25] Pts
1 Dispel Scroll @ [25] Pts

Total Roster Cost: 2514

Currently a little over. Hope that helps give you some ideas.

Take care,
Mike K.

Thanks for the help (shows how much of a noob i am with the magic items, but i didnt read anywhere where i couldnt) Ill make some changes today at work and post another try tonight using some of your suggestions!

C