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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/10 05:16:26
Subject: Ravenwing Problem
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Commoragh-bound Peer
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I've got a question I thought you guy might be able to shed some light on. I've owned a Dark Angels, Deathwing, & Ravenwing army for years, and have recently pulled them out at dusted them off for some new games.
While putting together a Ravenwing army list, I noticed that the new rules allow for Ravenwing Bike Squadrons to include a Land Speeder. I was inclined to take a Land Speeder, but I immediately started thinking about the problems this will cause with shooting attack that this unit receives. The base rules do not cover allocating shooting attack to mixed infantry/vehicle units. The old rules didn't either, but has special rules for these type units where they occurred (Ork Big Guns units come to mind).
What should be done with shooting attacks against this unit (and what rules do you use to justify it)? How are shooting attacks allocated? What is to keep a ravenwing player from allocating the heavy shots that are meant for vehicles to the land speeder (who might get an Invulnerable Save if they moved far enough)? What's to keep the ravenwing player from taking shots from lower strength weapons on the vehicle instead of the bikes? How do you handle weapons that bike might get saves against from their Armor save, that could damage the land speeder (which doesn't get saves)?
How does the inclusion of a vehicle affect the Target Priority rule? Can a play shoot at a ravenwing with a land speeder that is further away than another bike unit because of the included vehicle? Would the inclusion of the land speeder in the bike unit keep an opponent from shooting a (complete) vehicle further away without taking a Target Priority roll?
GW has made extensive attempts to 'simplify' the game. Then they added this back in without any rules to govern it (and the old rules were kinda crap - which I think is the reason they got rid of it in the first place). Has GW just made another 'goof' that the players have to figure out? I plan on posting to other forums as well for this question.
StoneFoxx
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Perturabo wears Dorns pride on a chain around his neck, even to this day. Suprisingly they look like a pair of testicals...
The Imperial Fists have the worst victory record of all the Emperor’s Legions. Imperial Fists are 0-1-1 (no recorded victories, lost to Iron Warriors, and they like to call the defense of Earth a 'Draw').
SotE, Bro H, & Nur... (nevermind) suck almost as much as Dorn.
Konrad Cruze beat Dorn like a rented mule and left him wailing like a norwegian fisherman. He tore chunks out of him, including his spleen, his tonsils, his pride...everything but his heart (because that wuss has no heart). Then the Night Haunter stood on his chest, while Dorn looked like swiss cheese wearing a used feminine hygene product. When he finally let Dorn up, Dorn ran for the little girls room to cry and change his wet panties... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/10 05:38:14
Subject: Ravenwing Problem
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Fixture of Dakka
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You should read the codex again.
The rule in question is in there.
Try the front of the book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/10 06:28:27
Subject: Ravenwing Problem
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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To be more explicit, the landspeeder is picked as part of the unit but it is deployed and plays as a completely separate unit during the game, just like combat squads split up a 10 man marine squad.
Check the box-out on page 27 of the codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/12 02:47:16
Subject: Re:Ravenwing Problem
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Commoragh-bound Peer
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I hate to admit it, but you are right - it come down to me not being aware of my codex as much as I'd thought. I hadn't caught this portion of the codex. My fault.
StoneFoxx
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Perturabo wears Dorns pride on a chain around his neck, even to this day. Suprisingly they look like a pair of testicals...
The Imperial Fists have the worst victory record of all the Emperor’s Legions. Imperial Fists are 0-1-1 (no recorded victories, lost to Iron Warriors, and they like to call the defense of Earth a 'Draw').
SotE, Bro H, & Nur... (nevermind) suck almost as much as Dorn.
Konrad Cruze beat Dorn like a rented mule and left him wailing like a norwegian fisherman. He tore chunks out of him, including his spleen, his tonsils, his pride...everything but his heart (because that wuss has no heart). Then the Night Haunter stood on his chest, while Dorn looked like swiss cheese wearing a used feminine hygene product. When he finally let Dorn up, Dorn ran for the little girls room to cry and change his wet panties... |
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