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Does anyone still have the rules for old Herohammer characters like Nagash and Aenarion? Im more curious than anything. Any posts/links would be cool

I still have my 5th ed High Elf book with the rules for tyrion and teclis and the others. I even still play 5th ed some times.

Make that Eltharion the Blind Swordmaster

thats cool too but im looking for even earlier editions with characters like Aenarion and Nagash. I know there was a time when they existed in the game I just havent found anyone who wants to relive those days.

I wish H. Kemmler was still around too...

Seeing as they've all but removed necros from both undead factions it is possible that we'll be seeing them at the helm of a new undead horde force...most likely with kemmler in tow.

Alpharius wrote:I wish H. Kemmler was still around too...

Kemmler the Lichemaster? He was in an issue of white dwarf a few years ago. 6th ed isnt that different than 7th so I dont see why you couldnt play him. Id post up the stats for him right now, but a- I dont know exactly where and which issue it is, and b- Im too frakkin lazy.

Got this from the cache:

These rules and background for Eltharion the Swordmaster are reprinted here from the old High Elves Army Book for your use. These rules are no longer official, but there is no reason they can't be used in friendly games of Warhammer.

Eltharion the Swordmaster

Eltharion is one of the High Elves' most deadly and respected warriors. He may be taken as a Lord choice in any High Elf army. He must be used exactly as presented here and may not be given any additional equipment or magic items.

The profile given here represents Eltharion in his incarnation as a Swordmaster, after his defeat by Malekith.

M-5 WS-8 BS-6 S-4 T-3 W-3 I-8 A-4 Ld-10
Eltharion





Points: 255

Weapons & Armour: Eltharion carries the White Sword of Hoeth and wears light armour.

Special Rules:

The White Sword:
Eltharion has been taught by the Master of the White Tower of Hoeth, and wields one of the long, two-handed blades of the Swordmasters. Clad in the pure white robes of the Order and cutting through the foe with ease, Eltharion is now called the White Sword by many Dark Elves who have seen him. So great is Eltharion's skill, he can use a number of fighting styles, each of which has a different effect on his rules. At the start of each round of combat, Eltharion must declare which fighting style he is using for that whole round. Note that the White Sword is not a magic weapon, nor is it a normal great weapon. Only the rules listed below apply to Eltharion's attacks.

* Way of the Willow Branch: Eltharion's body twists and contorts like a reed in the wind, and his sword deflects incoming blows with astounding speed, making him virtually impossible to hit. Any close combat attacks against Eltharion require 6s to hit, before any other modifications, and regardless of relative Weapons Skills or any other special rules.
* Way of the Winter Breeze: Weaving his sword in a bewildering, swirling arc, Eltharion is able to guide his blade through even the most steadfast defence. Eltharion attacks at +1 to hit in close combat.
* Way of the Swooping Eagle: Eltharion summons all of his speed and might into a few deadly blows. Eltharion's attacks are resolved at +2 Strength.
* Way of the Breaking Storm: Unleashing his speed and strength in a flurry of blistering attacks, Eltharion rains down blow after blow on the enemy. Eltharion gains +2 Attacks.

Great Leap:
Eltharion is immensely acrobatic, and is able to jump high through the air to reach his foes. At the start of any round of combat, before attacks are allocated or challenges issued, Eltharion may be moved to anywhere in the same combat (even leaving one unit and joining another, or becoming an independent character). He may not use this to position himself out of combat, or if he is already involved in a challenge.

Lord of Hoeth:
In the White Tower, Eltharion is now second only to Belannear himself, and often commands the army of Hoeth. If Eltharion is your General, Swordmasters are no longer a 0-1 choice.

Intrigue at Court:
There is no need to roll for Intrigue at Court if you take Eltharion - he is automatically the army General. The only exception to this is if Tyrion is also present, in which case Eltharion will defer to Tyrion's superior battlefield knowledge and skills.

Impenetrable Defence:
Eltharion's senses and foresight are so keen, he can now react even faster than when he could see, enabling him to predict the enemy's attacks and even deflect incoming arrows. Eltharion has a 5+ Ward Save to represent this, and in addition, Killing Blow has no effect on Eltharion (simply treat To Wound rolls of 6 as a successful wound).

Psychology:
Eltharion hates Orcs and Goblins and Dark Elves, but is otherwise Immune to Psychology. Any unit of Swordmasters joined by Eltharion becomes stubborn.

The Dark Within:
Eltharion is a very troubled soul, and his thirst for revenge can drive him to rash acts. Eltharion and any unit he leads must declare a charge if there is an enemy within range, and can never test to restrain pursuit.

I was able to save the rules for the 5th edition VC caracters before the dastardly folks at the GW web site took them away forever. Here is Kemmlers Rules with others to follow

Counts as a lord and a hero
M:4
WS:3
BS:3
S:3
T:4
W:4
I:3
A:1
LD:9

Points: 450

Weapons: Sword

Armour: None

Mount: None

Spells: Level 4 wizard always uses Necromancy

Special Rules
Master of Necromancy: As long as he has enough power dice. Kemmler can cast any one of the spells he knows even one that he has already cast in the same magic phase.

Magic Items
Staff of the Lichemaster: This most powerful Necromantic tool has the combined powers of a skull staff, power familiar, spell familiar and a Black Periapt
Cloak of Mist and Shadows
Power Stone

I have both of those books (old Elves and old undead)

I still have the old Empire, Chaos Dwarves, Wood Elves, and Skaven books.

how old?

blackgaurd wrote:how old?

...Not as old as this thread.

Deathmaster Snitch... Throwing stars at strength 10!

Manfred von Drakken wrote:

blackgaurd wrote:how old?

...Not as old as this thread.

Why do people have a problem with me leaving for a few months to go to boot camp and coming back and reviving my threads. cause last i checked they were MY THREADS!

nothing wrong at all. i revived a 2 year silent forum, that was long enough to pronounce it legally dead.

Unofficial 5th ed rules for Kemmler are indeed in a White Dwarf... 246 or thereabouts. Will post if I can find it - I've moved recently and my WDs could be anywhere (pretty big pile to miss though). It was part of a multi-page on designing your own special characters.

EDIT!!!!

Ugh! I take that back. Unofficial rules for a Necromancer Champion named 'Gunther Spengler', actually. I got the issue number right though; not hard, it was the first one I bought myself. Four issues before 6th ed Warhammer was released. Here's his stats anyway; article by Jonathan Green:

GUNTHER SPENGLER - 235 POINTS
M:4, WS:5, BS:5, S:4, T:3, W:2, I:4, A:3, Ld 9

Equipment: Spengler is armed with a sword, looted from some burial mound or another. He is on foot.

Save: 5+ special save

MAGIC ITEMS
Talisman of Death (5+ special save)
Nathmar's Skull (+1 Movement to undead unit accompanied by Spengler)



There are a couple of Warrior Priest Heroes as well. Ah, the good old days when WD didn't suck at all.

what issue of WD was the rules for character creation again?