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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/15 03:29:58
Subject: Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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I play Dark angels and this saturday i am going to be playing against a dark eldar player and i need advise on what to do. i am going to bring alot of termi's amd i dont know if i should charge him or stay back and shoot
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/05/15 04:48:43
Don't run, you'll die tired. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/15 07:05:55
Subject: Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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Executing Exarch
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What kind of DE? What points value?
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Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/15 07:28:42
Subject: Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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The short answer comes down to these three questions:
a) is the DE player mostly dismounted with lots of dark lances?
b) is the DE player mostly mounted (probably with lots of dark lances?)
c) is the DE player playing a wych cult?
If the answer is a) or b), you generally want to close with them. If the answer is c), wyches will own your terminators in close combat.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/15 14:40:20
Subject: Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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Sslimey Sslyth
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If you're playing a pure Deathwing, you might have to play to a mission rather than a straight up "who can kill the most" battle.
In my balanced DE list, not really optimized for tournament play, I have 25 S:7-8 AP2 weapons firing at BS 4, most at 36" range. Also, 21 of them are lance weapons, so Land Raiders won't last very long.
If your plan is to merely march across the table, blazing away with bolters and donkey-guns, it'll be a short game. Deep striking isn't much better, as the DE player will have at least a few S7 AP2 blast weapons to bring to bear. You're going to need to play very tactically, use terrain to your advantage, and select your targets carefully. Wyches need to be largely eliminated before they can reach assault; you'd be surprised how efectively they eliminate 5 man Termy squads. Ravagers, especially mounted with Disintegrators, need to go next. Even if you kill those, that may not get you out of the woods, because his troops can pack 12 S8 AP2 weapons for less than a third of a standard tournament army's points.
I wish you luck.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/15 21:02:55
Subject: Re:Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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it will be 2,000 points and i know he will be sending most of his army through the portal. I may just use a ravenwing/deathwing list i have. i am not sure if my bikes will do well but i think my land speaders should do ok.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/16 05:13:59
Subject: Re:Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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i have been talking to some of my friends and they think i should take out my close combat termies and replace them with land speaders.
do you agree
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/16 05:51:00
Subject: Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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landspeeders will be eaten by the lances. Deathwing is basically the dream fight for DE since they have the highest amount of AP 2 weaponry in a 2000 list. Your looking at easily 18-25 lance weapons at 2000, and dont deepstrike if he has disentegrators which are plasmacannons that dont overheat.
best thing to do is to bring plenty of bikes and turbo boost to avoid the shooting and toughness 5 vs DE in assault were only their agonizers will be a worry for you.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/05/16 05:51:49
Comparing tournament records is another form of e-peen measuring.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/16 13:12:53
Subject: Re:Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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i will be taking the master of the ravenwing on a land speeder for sure cause i know it will survive.
what should i do about his hq guy with the portal
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/16 22:27:14
Subject: Re:Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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my opponent just changed the point total on me. we are playing 2450 now. that leaves me some room for more stuff but i am not sure what to bring. i think i will drop my assault termi's and get more tanks and land speeders.
should i bring a devistator squad?
or suprise him with a deathwind drop pod.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/16 22:37:00
Subject: Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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Phanobi
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Whirlwinds!! Hide and shoot what you can.
Ozymandias, King of Kings
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My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings. Look on My works, Ye Mighty, and despair.
Chris Gohlinghorst wrote:Holy Space Marine on a Stick.
This conversation has even begun to boggle my internet-hardened mind.
A More Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/16 23:14:04
Subject: Re:Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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is it possible for me to take grey knights as allies
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/17 01:12:02
Subject: Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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Phanobi
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Yes, but why would you want to?
Ozymandias, King of Kings
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My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings. Look on My works, Ye Mighty, and despair.
Chris Gohlinghorst wrote:Holy Space Marine on a Stick.
This conversation has even begun to boggle my internet-hardened mind.
A More Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/17 02:35:59
Subject: Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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Fresh-Faced New User
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i think a couple of his guys will have that 2+ invulnerable save thing and i was going to take some psycannons to take them out
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Don't run, you'll die tired. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/17 17:12:43
Subject: Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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Executing Exarch
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No luck there. The Shadow Field (there can only be one in an army) always goes on a Lord, who will either use IC immunity or join a squad to avoid getting shredded.
BTW, you use DH allies with Deathwing? Weird.
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Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/17 19:35:32
Subject: Re:Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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Can't you target IC characters is shooting unless they are in a unit? If he has independents out there, like his lord, blast him away. He only gets that IC protection in assault.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/17 20:15:34
Subject: Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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Executing Exarch
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In 4th or in 5th? I assume people are still playing 4th unless they've stated otherwise. In 4th, IC protection is very much alive.
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Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/17 20:23:52
Subject: Re:Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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We ran into that problem last night when some Fire Warriors were going to blast my Bikerboss. BGB 4th, pg 51. IC can be targeted by shooting if they are not part of the unit and are the closest model to the attacker. I was thinking that I had him safe within 2 inches of my shoota, but according to this, he wasn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/17 20:35:46
Subject: Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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Executing Exarch
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How on earth is that a "problem"? That's simply how the rules work (for now). Being within 2" (or however many inches) doesn't make you safe. Being not the closest target or being part of the squad does. Joining the squad requires being within 2" of one of its models, but being within 2" of one of its models does not itself make you safe.
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Wehrkind wrote:Sounds like a lot, but with a little practice I can do ~7-8 girls in 2-3 hours. Probably less if the cat and wife didn't want attention in that time. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/17 20:39:30
Subject: Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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Violent Enforcer
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Don't forget to keep your boys as far apart as the unit coherency rules will allow. The disintegrator's primary fire will shred your termis otherwise...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/18 16:07:37
Subject: Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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2450 unless your doing split organization will benefit you more than your opponent. THis coming from a seasoned DE player.
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Comparing tournament records is another form of e-peen measuring.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/19 22:09:38
Subject: Re:Deathwing vs. Dark Eldar
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Fresh-Faced New User
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The game did not go so well and we rolled omega for mission level. it was escalation. he destroyed most of my vehicles early with dark lances. i came back when all my stuff came in and i destroyed most of his vehicles. i barely lost when all but one of my squads were destroyed at the end of turn 7. the random game length helped me. It was a good game and i hope to play this guy again.
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