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So as this has come up recently, I figured I should post the Tyranid question of the week.





Perhaps this requires an explanation to those in the fourth group that think they are in the first one.

1) In every current respect, codex > main rules.

2) Codex: Tyranids actually states that Tyranid Monstrous Creatures may fire up to two bio weapons per turn.

3) The rumored changes are in the main rules.

I am certain there is a
4)
somewhere - that is what I am looking for.

Yes. Dakkafexxes are strongly impacted, as well as those using two ranged weapons with Carnies/Hive Tyrants. This severaly cramps their style. As two weapons are a requirement for them, its a double whammy.

This is a ridiculous poll because we don't know what the 5th edition rules will actually say and more importantly we don't know what the 5th edition Tyranid FAQ will say either.


So right now its just (pointless) speculation to take a poll about the RAW of rules that haven't been published yet.

Agreed.

Though I am not certain how that is different than an other poll. Rules are posted and responses are gathered. Oddly enough people are even testing proposed rules based on leaked info. The ridiculous (sic) nature of the poll is related to the forum it is posted on.


Shrug.

If this is true of course it would affect Tyranids, how could it not?

Tyranids don't have great anti-tank to begin with, cutting our shooting in half is going to hurt.

Tyranid Monstrous Creatures are no longer a unit type unto themself; they are merely Monstrous Creatures that are Tyranids. References to the rules for MC's in the Tyranid codex are just that, references, not a separate rule just for Tyranid MC's.

Now, in the previous Tyranid codex, TMC's were their own thing entirely...

Forget the timing of this poll, it has no content whatsoever. If a rule is changed, will it affect Tyranids in some way? You can't even learn if this will affect them negatively or positively from this. This is the opposite of useful discussion. You might as well ask if Tyranids will change in 5th edition, or if 5th edition will be different than 4th.

Pyrian wrote:Tyranid Monstrous Creatures are no longer a unit type unto themself; they are merely Monstrous Creatures that are Tyranids. References to the rules for MC's in the Tyranid codex are just that, references, not a separate rule just for Tyranid MC's.

Now, in the previous Tyranid codex, TMC's were their own thing entirely...

Sure, and totally correct. Please pardon my shorthand.
There are still MC in the Tyranid codex, which are the "TMC" the question was refering to - and they are given exceptions and rules in the codex.

Apologies for confusing people with abreviations native to the forum.

As for the timing and content I guess I should have shortend the poll to "Does Codex Still Overrule BGB, Or Do People Forget That With A New Edition?"

Ok. Back to reading more and typing less. What a day.

Pyrian wrote:Tyranid Monstrous Creatures are no longer a unit type unto themself; they are merely Monstrous Creatures that are Tyranids. References to the rules for MC's in the Tyranid codex are just that, references, not a separate rule just for Tyranid MC's.

Now, in the previous Tyranid codex, TMC's were their own thing entirely...

Let's be totally clear about what the issue is here (kirsanth, I apologize if it sounds like I'm just repeating you). The tyranid codex contains explicit language on page 30 which states unambiguously that tyranids which are also MCs may fire two ranged bioweapons per shooting phase. No reference of any kind is made to the rules for MCs in the main rulebook. So, even if 5th ed does remove the ability of MCs to fire two weapons, this will only apply to tyranids if:
a) The rule specifically mentions that it overrides any previous codex rules which contradict it
b) The general rule of codices overriding the main rulebook is changed (unlikely, but included for the sake of completeness), or
c) There's a tyranid FAQ that addresses the issue.

All that said, any speculation on the RAW of the issue at this stage is mostly just for personal amusement (and I suppose potentially laying the groundwork for a hypothetical future rules debate), because there are so many unknowns as far as the final 5th ed. rules and the state of any FAQs.

Dire Wombat has summed it up.

I chose the last option. The codex allows MCs to fire two weapons, so unless there's an explicit mention of TMCs also being limited to one, then it really doesn't matter what the core rules say on the matter. Out of curiosity, what other MCs are out there packing multiple weapons outside of the nid list?

Kinda off topic but has some bearing on how people are answering. If the codex supercedes the main rules, then why doesn't a Carnifex fall back when it fails an IB test? After all, that IS a codex special rule and should (by the logic being presented here) override the Fearless USR.