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Question that can cause a big problem, otherwise, The Masque is going to be one real easy kill for the enemy.

Can she join a unit of demonettes? i know the codex does not state shes an IC (in either entry in the book) however, she IS a herald special character. along with that she has We Are Legion, which seems was designed for heralds joining units, but wished to use their powers on other units at no penalty.

so, logic would dictate that it would make sense that she could join a unit of demonettes. but RAW, it seems she cant am i correct?

shes got 3++ save yea, but only 2 wounds, and t3.. mass bolter fire is going to kill her real fast if she cant join up with some demonettes.

By RAW (and RAI as far as I'm concerned) she's not an IC. Since she's lost Slaanesh's favor and is forced to dance for all eternity she can't join a unit. This is the reason for her 3++, something that no other unit besides Lords of Change have.

Also, she has We Are Legion so she can use Pavane on multiple units - multiple Pavanes on one unit do not stack, so her 3 Pavanes a turn would be wasted without it.

*EDIT* The key to using her is dropping her amongst other scary units. Try to make sure she isn't the closest target so that anyone firing on her will have to deal with a priority test, and the consequences of not shooting at the other nearby units.

The battle report in the most recent White Dwarf clearly states that she is NOT an Independent Character.

oh well, if she survives the first round of shooting shes going to have to take, she'll be able to get into a combat and hop out with musk to pavane then hopefully get back into combat before being shot at again.

shes just going to be so frail at t3, i dont care if its 3+ invul, marines are going to hit and wound her on 3s with bolters and shes bound to fail 2 of those 3+ saves sooner rather than later.

i am the last person to say

"well in 5th....blah blah blah"

BUT in 5th edition, as long as she is behind another squad, she wont be able to be targeted, as long as that part of the FAQ is right.

its pretty obvious that codexeamons was written with 5th in mind, as well as orks so well see how the deamon army changes in effectivness come july.

This is just theorycraft for me, but she only seems really useful together with Fateweaver. It's easy to get 2 wounds past a 3++, but it is pretty annoying trying to get two wounds past a 3++ rerollable.

huge_eldar wrote:i am the last person to say

"well in 5th....blah blah blah"

BUT in 5th edition, as long as she is behind another squad, she wont be able to be targeted, as long as that part of the FAQ is right.

its pretty obvious that codexeamons was written with 5th in mind, as well as orks so well see how the deamon army changes in effectivness come july.

From the sources I have, in 5th edition units don't block LOS as listed in the leaked PDF, they just provide a 4+ cover save if you fire past an intervening unit.

So yeah, I see the masque as being very, very vulnerable to enemy shooting in 5th edition as she is now in 4th.


I don't care for her because of that.

Correct. The 3+ inv save is her compensation for not being able to join units.

tegeus-Cromis wrote:This is just theorycraft for me, but she only seems really useful together with Fateweaver. It's easy to get 2 wounds past a 3++, but it is pretty annoying trying to get two wounds past a 3++ rerollable.

yes i totally agree, any amount of massed small arms fire is going to eat her alive. this might be one of the only ways you can keep her alive long enough to do some real damage with pavane.

yakface wrote:From the sources I have, in 5th edition units don't block LOS as listed in the leaked PDF, they just provide a 4+ cover save if you fire past an intervening unit.

So yeah, I see the masque as being very, very vulnerable to enemy shooting in 5th edition as she is now in 4th.


I don't care for her because of that.

she would be much more usefull is she could take a chariot so she could be t4 and 5 wounds. but with this option take away the 3++ she has and make it the normal 4+/5+ of a chariot slaaneshi herald.

Dakkaladd wrote:Correct. The 3+ inv save is her compensation for not being able to join units.

she needs something else to compensate for her lack of ability to join units. something like firing as a decreased BS because of the mesmerization the dance causes.. that or always needing a 5+ to wound her. something along those lines. if she can dance eldar into a trance and keep it up for 6 days, how is a guardsman going to shoot a flash light at her?

in her current form at t3 2w 3++ she will need a lucky DS to be truely effective. even with hit and run she needs to survive 2 rounds of combat before she can jump out to move things around then hop back into combat, and even if combo'd up with another assault unit like feinds or seekers, you run the risk of wiping out the enemy unit that shes using to keep from being shot at. but even in combat shes going to be frail if she doesnt manage to wipe out anything that can strike back, and thats going to be pretty hard for her.


hrm i just had another thought though, technically she counts as an infantry UNIT correct?, so other ICs could join her am i right? that would be interesting.. taking 3 more footslogging heralds to provide some protection for her. hrmmm give them all musk and they could end up being a pretty nasty unit. (at 295+ points though..)

God forbid a special character has a downside.

Well.. as others have suggested, there's downside, and there's unlikely to survive a single round of shooting.

Very useless unit in 40k, very good in fantasy.. The whole thing seem to be abit designed like that, what units are really nice in one game is not quite as good in the other. Guess thats a way to boost sales.

Im not sure what she would be able to handle in 40k tho, esp with the new counter-charge rumour. Even if she survives the first round of shooting wich is very unlikley she will definently die in CC against guardsmen even.

From the sources I have, in 5th edition units don't block LOS as listed in the leaked PDF, they just provide a 4+ cover save if you fire past an intervening unit.

Granted, you have better sources than I do. (Lets be honest... I don't really have sources...)

But my understanding is that units will block LoS 'through' them; but if you shoot over them, they will provide a 4+ cover save. (Basically how MC and vehicles are handled now.)

So you can't shoot those gaunts behind the warriors, but you could shoot warriors behind gaunts, but the warriors would get a 4+ save.
Does that sound like what you have been hearing, or are they dumping the 'block LoS' thing entirely.