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i have 24 noise marines, 10 chaos marines, 5 terminators, 2 obliterators, a chaos lord and i have to admit that people in my area they often play 1500 point games, and are not really willing to play a 1000 game, so i have to build a 1500 army, i've got what i mentioned above, so i need some help with this army list, here is what i have done so far

HQ:
Socerer, with mark of slaanesh, lash of submission = 125
HQ:
Deamon Prince, with wings, mark of slaanesh, lash of submission = 155

Elite:
5 x Terminators with mark of slaanesh, 4 x Combi-weapons, 1 pairs of lighting claws = 195

Troops:
10 x Chaos space marines with mark of slaanesh, Champion (with PF,Melta bomb), 2 x Flamer, personal icon = 230

6 x Noise marines, Champion (with PW, DS), 5 x Sonic Blasters, 1 x Blast Masters = 230

6 x Noise marines, Champion (with PW, DS), 5 x Sonic Blasters, 1 x Blast Masters = 230

6 x Noise marines, 5 x Sonic Blasters, 1 x Blaster Masters = 185 （Socerer attaching to this unit)

Heavy Supports:
1 x Obliterators 75

Heavy Supports:
1 x Obliterators 75

it comes to exactly 1500 points

tatic advices would be much appreciated

never DS a lash, you want that on the board and working from the start.

put the sorc with one of the noise marine units.

I take it the CSM with 2xflamers and a champ with a PF is your assault squad?

Cheese Elemental wrote:I take it the CSM with 2xflamers and a champ with a PF is your assault squad?

yes it is my assualt squad
cheap but with initiative 5

Ztryder wrote:never DS a lash, you want that on the board and working from the start.

put the sorc with one of the noise marine units.

ok~

i will work on it!

thankyou^^

since there is no point of deepstriking my socerer, i am taking the terminator armor of him, i've also done some adjustments to my list, please have a look and let me know whether there is anything else i can adjust

HQ:
Socerer, mark of slaanesh, lash of submission = 125

HQ:
Deamon Prince, with wings, mark of slaanesh, lash of submission = 155

Elite:
5 x Terminators with mark of slaanesh, 4 x Combi-weapons, 1 pairs of lighting claws = 195

Troops:
10 x Chaos space marines with mark of slaanesh, Champion (with PF), 2 x Flamer, personal icon = 225

6 x Noise marines, Champion (with PW, DS), 5 x Sonic Blasters, 1 x Blast Masters = 230

6 x Noise marines, Champion (with PW, DS), 5 x Sonic Blasters, 1 x Blast Masters = 230

6 x Noise marines, 5 x Sonic Blasters, 1 x Blast Masters = 185 (attaching socerer to this unit)

Heavy Supports:
1 x Obliterators 75

1 x Obliterators 75


after adjustment, it comes to exactly 1495 points, where should i spend the 5 points on ?

any tactic suggestions would be appreciated

stone1208 wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:I take it the CSM with 2xflamers and a champ with a PF is your assault squad?

yes it is my assualt squad
cheap but with initiative 5

Not for that PF champ...

Some adjustments has been done to my list
please check it out
and advices would be appreciated

im not a fan of vetserg/aspchamp melta bombs.

its only going to tempt you to assault a vehicle, and if your opponent is any smart, youll need a 6 to hit with that bomb. granted it will probably blow up most tanks IF it hits but thats an assault phase you lose that you could have hit another unit with. on top of that, hes already str8 so he loses 3 str 8 attacks on that vehicle so he can use 1 at 2d6 pen.

"6 x Noise marines, 6 x Sonic Blasters = 185 （Socerer attaching to this unit)"
this unit is only 150 points.. 6x20=120+30(for SBs)=150
did you give them a rhino maybe? silly choice as itll be your only armor and any anti-tank in your opponents army will zero in on it the first chance they get.

Ztryder wrote:im not a fan of vetserg/aspchamp melta bombs.

its only going to tempt you to assault a vehicle, and if your opponent is any smart, youll need a 6 to hit with that bomb. granted it will probably blow up most tanks IF it hits but thats an assault phase you lose that you could have hit another unit with. on top of that, hes already str8 so he loses 3 str 8 attacks on that vehicle so he can use 1 at 2d6 pen.

"6 x Noise marines, 6 x Sonic Blasters = 185 （Socerer attaching to this unit)"
this unit is only 150 points.. 6x20=120+30(for SBs)=150
did you give them a rhino maybe? silly choice as itll be your only armor and any anti-tank in your opponents army will zero in on it the first chance they get.

with the melta bomb, i will work it out

that unit, has a 5 sonic blaster and a blast master, i forgot to put it down~

doomsirens arent much good on foot slogging champs. you probably wont get much use out of them. save yourself 30pts and drop them. to be honest im not sure the champs will do much at all. theyre good in combat but you would get yourself another 3 NMs with sonic blasters if you dropped them, and tht would probably be better.

as Ztryder said, melta bombs on a champ (especially one with a PF) arent that good. drop that too.

the terminators should probably have a heavy weapon. a heavy flamer if youre planning to deepstrike them, otherwise a reaper autocannon.

CSM arent as good as cult troops because they have no abilities, get worse weapons and have a tendancy to run away. if you want a combat squad take some khorne berserkers (which are, imo, the worst of the cult troops) or a big squad of noise marines. a squad of 10 noise marines with a champion and a powersword costs 230pts, exactly the same as your CSM squad, but wont run away. if you do decide to keep them (not a good desicion) at least take out the personal icon. the icon of slaanesh you gives the squad helps with deepstrike already so you dont need another.

you may also think about getting a little more anti-take. 2 oblits and 3 blastmasters should probably be enough in most 1500pt games, but if you come up against a tank heavy list or nidilla you may have a little more trouble.

Troops:
10 x Chaos space marines with Icon of Chaos Glory = 160
6 x Noise marines, 5 x Sonic Blasters, 1 x Blast Masters = 185
6 x Noise marines, 5 x Sonic Blasters, 1 x Blast Masters = 185
6 x Noise marines, 5 x Sonic Blasters, 1 x Blast Masters = 185

We all know the cult troops are better. But the base CSM can stay as minor assault guys. They won't run away as often with the icon of Chaos Glory. This leaves you with

Elites:
5x Terminators, Icon of Slaanesh, Reaper Autocannon, powerfist = 200

This squad will put a world of hurt on people. They don't need to DS. They can start off right next to the CSM and run in firing their guns and Reaper.

Heavy Support:
2x Oblits = 150
5x Havocs, 4x Heavy Bolters, Champ with Twin-linked bolter = 155

The Havocs are your answer to swarms. You might be out gunned in a CC type of situation and the Heavy bolters fix that. They give you a point of heavy fire to extend from.

As far as tactics advice goes. Set up is key. Make it so your opponent has to come out in the open to get to you so he will take all the fire your team has to bear. If your not into a sitting and waiting or if the situation doesn't permit it march the CSM and Termies out there as throw aways and lay down fire with the others as you go.

10 x Chaos space marines with Icon of Chaos Glory = 160

Ridiculous squad. I don't care if they're there as "minor assault guys;" there's still no reason not to give them some kind of special.

6 x Noise marines, 5 x Sonic Blasters, 1 x Blast Masters = 185
6 x Noise marines, 5 x Sonic Blasters, 1 x Blast Masters = 185
6 x Noise marines, 5 x Sonic Blasters, 1 x Blast Masters = 185

At least one PF is needed in there as a deterrent.

5x Havocs, 4x Heavy Bolters, Champ with Twin-linked bolter = 155

Champ with TL bolter is a silly idea. Is it worth paying 15 pts for Ld 10? No. Is it worth paying to re-roll to hit with a bolter? No.

Also, too few bodies. The squad needs more ablatives. I would suggest an 8-man squad.

Actually, come to think of it, what's the point of an HB Havoc squad in a Noise Marine-heavy army? The army needs more AT, not more anti-horde.

Typeline, your answer to swarms is actually all those sonic blasters. what swarms have 4+ save you really only need ap5 against gaunts and the like. give them a Doom Siren champion and they get even better at handling swarms.

t-C said it already HB havocs are a waste of points in a noise marine list. you have 2 lascannons and 1 reaper in that list mech armies will have a feild day against that (you waste your 15 sonic blaster shots per unit shooting blastmasters at tanks, in the end youll get more points back shooting the whole unit at other infantry), not to mention you cant take 2 wing/lash DPs in that list as itll put you over 1500 by around 40pts. and that 5 man terminator unit should never make it across the board and will be the first thing the enemy focuses on.

I didn't see the redundancy there at first. Guess the points in the Havoc squad would be used better for another 2 man Oblit unit. The Twin-Linked bolter was just there to fill the last extra 5 points.