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An IC is in a unit, it gets all shot up except for the IC, does he have to take a Morale Test or does he instantly revert to IC status?

Rules support for this is where?

Thanks...

Independent Characters start the game as single model units, and therefore do not take Last Man Standing tests (see "Last Man Standing", p.49, Rulebook). They still take a Morale test because they were part of a unit that sustained 25%+ casualties in a single shooting phase.

Nurglitch has nailed it. There was some controversy over it in the past, but it was pretty silly and I don't think we need to go over it again unless someone raises the issue.

tegeus-Cromis wrote:Nurglitch has nailed it. There was some controversy over it in the past, but it was pretty silly and I don't think we need to go over it again unless someone raises the issue.

I'm in agreement, but I need backing to win the arguement <g>

So go over the rules for Independent Characters with your friend, and cross-reference them against the Morale rules.

Was he part of a squad at the beginning of the shooting phase? Yes.
Did that unit sustain 25% or more casualties? Yes.
Does a unit that has sustained 25% or more casualties have to take a Morale test? Yes.

don_mondo wrote:Was he part of a squad at the beginning of the shooting phase? Yes.
Did that unit sustain 25% or more casualties? Yes.
Does a unit that has sustained 25% or more casualties have to take a Morale test? Yes.

And:


Can a character leave a unit outside of its own movement phase? No.

Good, Clear example(?)

1. SM Chapter Master with attached Comm. Squad. Takes 33% Casualties from shooting. Make Ld test or run like Grots.

2. SM Chaplin with attached Comm. Squad. Takes 33% Casualties from shooting. Seeing as the Chaplin passes on his 'Fearless' capabilities to the squad he is attached to, no Ld test required.

When part of a Unit, unless specifically stated that they are fearless, they still need to make a Ld test from 25% shooting casualties or more.

The last fun and related question in that family...

Does the unit have a -1 leadership penalty for being below 50%

I could see the argument that the unit is at 0% which is below half.

I could see the argument that the unit taking the test is at 100% (1 model)

but if you make the argument that the unit is not below half because he is a single model, that circles the first question of why he is taking the leadership test in the first place.

I'd accept either rule, but I'd love to hear the 'why'.

Yakface has suggested the answer to whether a unit whose remainder is an Independent Character tests on a -1 penalty for being below 50%: The Independent Character is still part of the unit until its next movement phase, and thus is numbered as part of that unit.