Confused about poisoned weapons

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**Cheese Elemental**

Regarding how the rulebook and codecies say that poisoned weapons, and how they always wound on a 4+/2+, is that for targets who would normally be harmed on a lower roll.

**Nurglitch**

The weapon specifies whether it always wounds on a 4+ or whether it always wounds on a 2+.

**Cheex**

I think he means that if you had a str 5 poisoned weapon against a t4 model, would you need a 3+ to wound (as per the wound chart) or a 4+ to wound (as per the poisoned weapon)?

RAW seems to be that it's always 4+ (or 2+ if you're special), but it seems very strange that Typhus would be forced to wound Grots on a 4+.

**Nurglitch**

Typhus doesn't have to use Manreaper's special close combat attacks, and he can just attack as normal (and thus get the 2+ to wound the Gretchin).

**Cheese Elemental**

I think Typhus is an exception, I'll check the errata by GW. I hope that the rules are changed in 5th... a massive chainsword coated in poison would do just as much raw damage as a massive clean chainsword.

**Cheese Elemental**

Edit: Accidental double post.

**lambadomy**

I think the second paragraph on page 46 of the rules answers this. You don't have to use your special close combat attacks. You can use the unpoisoned side of your blade or turn off your power sword or whack em with the back of your shurican pistol instead of using your harlequins kiss or whatever, as far as I can tell.

**Ghaz**

lambadomy is correct. No model is required to use a special close combat attack and may always choose to strike at their base Initiative and Strength.

**reds8n**

If memory serves they resolve this in 5th edition. In that book if you would wound on less than the required roll-- eg a s S4 model attcaking a T3 one, then you roll against the lower value and get a reroll.