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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/29 23:31:57
Subject: Black Templer assault after shooting
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Is there some rules that allow them to assault nearist enemy unit after shooting rapid fire weapons (for example plasma gun) ? thx
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/30 00:38:48
Subject: Black Templer assault after shooting
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Fresh-Faced New User
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No such rule. The BTs cannot ignore the rapid fire restrictions for assaults and as far as i know have no Slow and Purposeful units.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/30 01:27:55
Subject: Re:Black Templer assault after shooting
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Thx dude, I have been confused when he fired those plasmaguns and then charged another unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/30 02:46:04
Subject: Black Templer assault after shooting
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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This used to be an issue for Khorne Berzerkers (when they had the Blood Frenzy rule and access to Bolters - it caused headaches on multiple occaisions), and is still an issue for Space Wolf Blood Claws. While it isn't RAW, I'd use the FAQ for Blood Claws to resolve this situation, since it's the only precedent we have in the rules for an otherwise unworkable situation.
In other words: no firing at one target and then charging the closest, and no rapid-firing and then charging. Again, this is not strictly what RAW says, but it's probably the easiest way to solve it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/30 07:37:00
Subject: Black Templer assault after shooting
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Brainy Zoanthrope
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the rule says they must always charge the closest unit if possible. by shooting another unit, you make it impossible to charge the other (closest) unit (under the firing pre-assault restrictions).
the key phrase is "if possible". under the rules a unit cant possibly charge a unit different from the one it shot at, nor can it possibly charge after a rapid fire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/30 15:20:03
Subject: Black Templer assault after shooting
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Ztryder wrote:the rule says they must always charge the closest unit if possible. by shooting another unit, you make it impossible to charge the other (closest) unit (under the firing pre-assault restrictions).
the key phrase is "if possible". under the rules a unit cant possibly charge a unit different from the one it shot at, nor can it possibly charge after a rapid fire.
No, you do NOT have to charge the closest unit. Your first model moved during assault must be the closest model to your primary assault target and must assault the closest model in that unit by the shortest route possible. If you have a 12" charge and there are five units within 12", you can charge the one farthest away if you desire to and have not done any actions that prohibit such a charge.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/05/30 15:22:05
Don "MONDO"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/05/31 11:19:44
Subject: Black Templer assault after shooting
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Brainy Zoanthrope
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i dont have my codex with me, but im 90% sure that the prefered enemy vow states that templar units MUST assault the nearest enemy unit if possible.
thats the only way a templar player could claim that they always get to charge the closet unit (regardless of who they shot and if the rapid fired)
but, as i just pointed out, it doesnt work that way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/01 15:56:44
Subject: Black Templer assault after shooting
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Fresh-Faced New User
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The 'Accept any challenge' vow does indeed require any unti that can declare a charge must do so. The vow states the unit has not fired any heavy or rapid-fire weapons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/02 12:50:28
Subject: Black Templer assault after shooting
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Stormin' Stompa
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OK.
Lets leave out the USR "Preferred enemy" because it has zero impact on this situation.
The Black Templar wow "Accept any challenge, no matter the odds" has.
Codex Black Templar, page 25.
"Any unit that can declare a charge (ie, has not fired Rapid Fire or Heavy weapons) must do so if they are in range of an enemy unit at the start of their Assault Phase."
That should take care of this thread.
And Krumpaork, thank you for muddying up the waters. Your post is no help at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/02 18:00:52
Subject: Black Templer assault after shooting
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Ztryder wrote:i dont have my codex with me, but im 90% sure that the prefered enemy vow states that templar units MUST assault the nearest enemy unit if possible.
thats the only way a templar player could claim that they always get to charge the closet unit (regardless of who they shot and if the rapid fired)
but, as i just pointed out, it doesnt work that way.
Ahhh, got it. I thought you were saying main rulebook required it. I'll look at my BT codex when I get home.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/03 22:10:40
Subject: Black Templer assault after shooting
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Heroic Senior Officer
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don_mondo wrote:Ztryder wrote:i dont have my codex with me, but im 90% sure that the prefered enemy vow states that templar units MUST assault the nearest enemy unit if possible.
thats the only way a templar player could claim that they always get to charge the closet unit (regardless of who they shot and if the rapid fired)
but, as i just pointed out, it doesnt work that way.
Ahhh, got it. I thought you were saying main rulebook required it. I'll look at my BT codex when I get home.
Finally remembered to take a look and there is no requirement to charge the closest enemy under "Accept any challenge" (or any of the vows). Steelpark pretty much covered the whole thing in what he posted, just wanted to wrap up that one loose thread. You might have confused it with the Righteous Zeal requirement to move towards the closest enemy it can see, maybe?
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Don "MONDO"
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