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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/05 08:41:14
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Fixture of Dakka
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So I've been asked (taunted?) repeatedly what I would really run for a demon list.
Someone actually called my house when I was out, and explained things to my wife.
So without further ado, this is the list I ended up running at the end of our playtesting.
Edit: Fixed list from playtest to current. The Heralds all come with Aura now.
1x Herald of Slaanesh, Chariot, Pavane, Might, Musk. 110
1x Herald of Slaanesh, Chariot, Pavane, Might, Musk. 110
1x Herald of Slaanesh, Chariot, Pavane, Might, Musk. 110
1x Herald of Slaanesh, Chariot, Pavane, Might, Musk. 110
10x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Bolt. 180
10x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Bolt. 180
10x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Bolt. 180
10x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Bolt. 180
10x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Bolt. 180
10x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Bolt. 180
1x Demon Prince of Slaanesh, Pavane, Aura. 115
1x Demon Prince of Slaanesh, Pavane, Aura. 115
Each 'drop' is identical, as follows:
1x Herald of Slaanesh, Chariot, Pavane, Might, Musk. 110
1x Herald of Slaanesh, Chariot, Pavane, Might, Musk. 110
1x Demon Prince of Slaanesh, Pavane, Aura. 115
10x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Bolt. 180
10x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Bolt. 180
10x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Bolt. 180
It has weaknesses against various army types.
Played well, I think it's one of the best lists you can make with demons.
Every unit of horrors has a support unit, to put the enemy at 18" range and let you pummel him.
The princes cannot assault you very well after a drop, but the 4 heralds can do a number on you.
20 wounds to chew through before they're dead, then there are 8 wounds of DP to deal with.
60 wounds of horrors. The 4+ save is annoying, and with pavane you push people away so they can't assault you easily.
It's quite funny seeing DP's live and heralds get the sh-t shot outta 'em.
Anyway if you've ever played Magic, this plays like a blue a$$hole deck. So don't do it to friends!
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/06/05 18:41:50
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/05 09:04:51
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yes, 27 shots per horde + the ever fun bolt of change gives you enough firepower to really hurt most things in the game.
All mech forces, anything nurgle w/fnp, and guard foot horde armies will give you fits--but you can make it a close game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/05 09:46:02
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Nice. And I know how bad they can be in H2H.
The shooting aspect is just brilliant.
Need more Chaos players here in Aus....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/05 13:49:08
Subject: Re:Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Flower Picking Eldar Youth
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Interesting list.
However the demon princes are undercosted. They should be 125pts.
Also the heralds have 4 gifts from the list the are only allowed to choose 3 from.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/05 13:56:56
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Been Around the Block
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Stelek wrote:
1x Demon Prince of Slaanesh, Pavane, Aura. 105
1x Demon Prince of Slaanesh, Pavane, Aura. 105
Your DP's are slightly undervalued, they should come in at 125 pts, not 105 pts.
Any consideration to dropping the DP's for Fiends and a Changeling?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/06/05 13:58:28
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/05 14:10:28
Subject: Re:Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Flower Picking Eldar Youth
Perth
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Beat you to the DP issue NotThisTime
I think the pavane on the princes is probably more useful, to this list, than fiends would be.
The DP's are also more durable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/05 15:34:41
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Multispectral Nisse
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thats actually pretty good.
It left my mind what the Chariots do again but it's pretty good.
Like your last comment ....ahh Blue decks
But as for HTH what if your Herald's get gunned down.
Or you do get in combat what then & if you have bad scatter's ?
You think about a small unit of *flamers ( I think there the ones with the Flamer temp. with no Arm or cover)
they'd be good for killing things and also being a bait trap.
just an idea.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/05 16:20:45
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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Thats alot of shooting power.
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Falcon Punch!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/05 18:29:58
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Fixture of Dakka
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Oh I'm sure there are some mistakes, this was the playtest list.
I'll look at the book and fix the errors. I know it's around here someplace, I buried it like it's the Necronomicon or something. lol
HBMC, you really think the rule is crystal clear, do you? A rule written for the old Chaos Codex, itself removed from the game, and a new mechanic added to place demons on the board.
Tell me, how do you 'summon' demons?
Where is the sustained attack rule in 5E?
See, needs a FAQ because right now the rules broken.
Have you ever seen a GK army fight against demons? Even allowing them to recycle, all you do is kill all the heavy, elites, and HQ's...and finish off the troops then the FA last. Then let them recycle. They can't win the game for you in 5E, and in 4E they're not game winners either.
So in the end, all you added was a cheap shot about sportsmanship. Thanks alot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/05 18:47:44
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Fixture of Dakka
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ghostmaker wrote:thats actually pretty good.
It left my mind what the Chariots do again but it's pretty good.
Like your last comment ....ahh Blue decks
But as for HTH what if your Herald's get gunned down.
Or you do get in combat what then & if you have bad scatter's ?
You think about a small unit of *flamers ( I think there the ones with the Flamer temp. with no Arm or cover)
they'd be good for killing things and also being a bait trap.
just an idea.
Chariots make you cavalry.
The Heralds can and do get gunned down on occasion. Nothing you can do about it really.
If you let the Heralds run in and out of CC, you're going to lose. So players should focus fire on them. They aren't immune to bolters, but 5 wounds with a 4+ save can handle some fire.
In this list, the Heralds are the bait. If you kill the horrors, the heralds engage you in CC. They hurt.
If you really let me, I'll get the DP into CC too.
The horrors also have a 4+ save, and tend to shoot alot of things dead.
If they really have to, they can go tank busting but it's best to let the Slaanesh units do that if at all possible.
Flamers aren't bad, they're just risky--they mishap or scatter out of firing range, and that doesn't help.
With this list, you can safely drop where you want to and still affect the enemy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/05 18:49:41
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Fixture of Dakka
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NotThisTime wrote:Stelek wrote:
1x Demon Prince of Slaanesh, Pavane, Aura. 105
1x Demon Prince of Slaanesh, Pavane, Aura. 105
Your DP's are slightly undervalued, they should come in at 125 pts, not 105 pts.
Any consideration to dropping the DP's for Fiends and a Changeling? 
Fiends don't help the list, as Patto noted.
You really don't need more CC help. The Heralds in pairs really wreck you.
They're also built so on the charge they can put the hurt onto MC and vehicles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/05 22:48:34
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Dakka Veteran
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Personally dont like the slaanesh chariots that much compared to Tzeentch or Khorne, but thats more a personal thing since they are all good.
Isnt flamers pretty sweet to combine with that hwy pavane stuff?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/05 23:46:24
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Fixture of Dakka
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Flamers cost too much...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/06 00:39:26
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Brainy Zoanthrope
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the same as a unit of 3 chaos termies with combi-plas.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/06 00:50:15
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Multispectral Nisse
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Well they do but thats why you take a squad of three and if there not shot at then the other players dead.
And if they are thats a squad thats done shooting
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/06 01:58:48
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Fixture of Dakka
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Flamers cannot drop, kill one unit, and the next turn assault into something and kill it.
Terminators do.
Flamers don't--they drop, if they fire great, if not they get shot and die.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/06 16:34:02
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
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I like this list a lot. Very cool.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/07 20:06:47
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Drew_Riggio
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What about GK psycannons and alike? You have just 4 models with normal non-invulnerable save. And your pavane pretty useless vs CSM Lash..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/07 20:49:35
Subject: Re:Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Heralds mounted on chariots are nice, but I'd rather take two Bloodthristers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/08 06:39:23
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yes GK hurt demons. Cover helps.
Two bloodthirsters are a different kind of list entirely...and they cost 2 and 1/2 times the price of the herald.
Each.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/06/08 07:30:58
Subject: Stelek's 1750 Demon List
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Focused Fire Warrior
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Great list, but I would like to see a list for the bloodthirster....
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Sometimes you just have to let em' go... |
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