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When it's in the DH or WH codex book. I was told by a few of my local groups that the assualt cannon on the land raider when using DH or WH would not be rending as the stats in that book do not have rending. also the same for any other weapon in those books. obviously this caused a stir as to which book we should be using for stats.

I wanted to ask if any one had some concrete proof as to which way is the right way as far as weapon stats are concerned.

It bugs me when people try to leverage GWs poor writing to get an advantage in the game. This sort of thing is what that failed wargear codex was supposed to solve (which I thought was a good idea) but that just uncovered or created more inconsistencies.

I use 'em as the armybook says to. It's also why I don't use Assault Cannons in Daemonhunter armies.

If there were an FAQ on the subject, that gave the DH AssCans Rending, then I would use that.

They have rending as per the Wargear book. ditto ... terminator armour, I believe is defined properly in the wargear book.

someone more weighty (like say yak) should probably confirm this, if true.

WH don't use LR crusader, no assault cannon there!

DH got a wrong entry,s=ok ap=ok heavy=ok shots=false.

Old rules had heavy 3 and Malfunktion ,New heavy 4 rending.

Had the same problem with the DH hunter book as it says their LR's can still move maximum and fire Hurricane Bolters. The SM codex says they can't. You have to argue it out with your gaming group to see if their ok with it.
But the Assault Cannon would be the same as the other books so go with those stats.

Tacobake wrote:They have rending as per the Wargear book. ditto ... terminator armour, I believe is defined properly in the wargear book.

someone more weighty (like say yak) should probably confirm this, if true.

Good luck finding that book in stores anymore. I can't seem to find them anywhere ad even less mention of them on any of the GW sites.

Onnotangu wrote:When it's in the DH or WH codex book. I was told by a few of my local groups that the assualt cannon on the land raider when using DH or WH would not be rending as the stats in that book do not have rending. also the same for any other weapon in those books. obviously this caused a stir as to which book we should be using for stats.

I wanted to ask if any one had some concrete proof as to which way is the right way as far as weapon stats are concerned.

Since I do not play space marines and do not plan to, I hope they are not rending!!!!

Onnotangu wrote:Good luck finding that book in stores anymore. I can't seem to find them anywhere ad even less mention of them on any of the GW sites.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=60040199015&orignav=9

insaniak wrote:

Onnotangu wrote:Good luck finding that book in stores anymore. I can't seem to find them anywhere ad even less mention of them on any of the GW sites.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=60040199015&orignav=9

Good Find. the US store is some riddled windows vista mismash of the old site and new useless articles.
I'm in the US. the Shipping alone would break me.

5th ed apparantly puts the DH AC back to Heavy 3 non-Rending :/

Aeon wrote:5th ed apparantly puts the DH AC back to Heavy 3 non-Rending :/

Why would you say that? Have you seen the DH 5th edition FAQ or something?

Because the v5 rulebook has stats for all the weapons in the back of the rulebook and the AC is listed as Assault 4, rending.

really?

The Rulebook I saw had under Agents of the Inquisition the stats for the AC being Heavy 3 without rending. Is it possible that there are various versions of the rulebook floating around?

Aeon wrote:really?

The Rulebook I saw had under Agents of the Inquisition the stats for the AC being Heavy 3 without rending. Is it possible that there are various versions of the rulebook floating around?

Since I wasn't specifically looking to check on this issue when I looked at the weapon page I'll assume that I missed it and you are indeed correct.

It is very strange for them to go that direction after the Wargear book updated all ACs into a single profile, IMHO.

Aeon wrote:really?

The Rulebook I saw had under Agents of the Inquisition the stats for the AC being Heavy 3 without rending. Is it possible that there are various versions of the rulebook floating around?

could be that that was the Psycannon.

I had a similar problem when the new Dark Angels codex came out. I was using shotguns for my BT scouts and saw that the strength was higher so I used that. thinking it was 'newer' and more up to date.

if your having a problem with it just clarify with your opponent what your doing so its not seen as you bending the rules. I do this with every person I play against about LOS and area terrain.

btw I heard back from GW US store and that wargear book is discontinued.

Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:34 PM
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Subject: Wargear book missing from the online store.



What happened to the Wargear book that contained all the stats of the various weapons of the warhammer 40k world?

Hello,

That product has been discontinued and are no longer available.

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I believe it, they had different stats for tyranid weapons from the codex. hell they have 1 codex and they can't even translate it over.

My guess is that GW just copied and pasted from each codex (poorly), and their editors didn't notice the mistake. I would assume that if a weapon is called X and there are different stats in different books that the most common one should be used. Still, that is just a house rule, and GW needs to fix it.

Anyone else bothered by the grammar error in the customer service guy's response?

Wehrkind wrote:Anyone else bothered by the grammar error in the customer service guy's response?

No I are quite being ok with it,yes?

I've contacted GW's US "rulezboyz" about the issue and they confirm that the wargear book entry is correct. DH assault cannons are Heavy 4 rending.

"Rulezboyz' are just the guys taking orders over the phone though. Its a fairly well known fact that if you were to call the "rulezboyz" 3 times, you'd probably get 3 different answers.

I subscribe to the thinking that if its listed as Heavy 3 in the codex, then its Heavy 3. GW has had ample time to fix it in their FAQ and so far have not. Until that happens, I'd have issues with anyone playing it any other way.

Amazingly, in the one I have seen, it lists the AC under marines to be Heavy 4 rending, but under forces of the imperium it is just Heavy 3.

Onnotangu wrote:btw I heard back from GW US store and that wargear book is discontinued.

Then perhaps they can explain why you can still buy the Wargear book from GWUK and GW Canada if it's been discontinued.

yakface wrote:

Aeon wrote:really?

The Rulebook I saw had under Agents of the Inquisition the stats for the AC being Heavy 3 without rending. Is it possible that there are various versions of the rulebook floating around?

Since I wasn't specifically looking to check on this issue when I looked at the weapon page I'll assume that I missed it and you are indeed correct.

It is very strange for them to go that direction after the Wargear book updated all ACs into a single profile, IMHO.

i noticed this when i looked through the 5th book. in the inquisition section the AC has heavy 3, non-rending. in the SM section the AC has heavy 4, rending.

so they are both listed.