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Well first of all i bought this army to be a word bearer army but that was just before the newest book, i realy didnt like that book and kind of stayed away from warhammer abit.. but i realy do love warhammer so i decided to try and make an army with the models i got (need to paint and convert them though)

Anyways heres the list.

HQ
Demon Prince - MoN, nurgle's rot, wings = 165
Demon Prince - MoK, wings = 140

ELITES
8 Chosen - IoN, 4 plasma guns = 254

TROOPS
8 Plague Marines - 2 plasma guns, PC w/ powerfist = 254
8 Plague Marines - 2 plasma guns, PC w/ powerfist = 254

FAST ATTAK
8 Raptors - IoK, 2 meltaguns, AC w/ powerfist = 240
8 Raptors - IoK, 2 meltaguns, AC w/ powerfist = 240

HEAVY SUPPORT
Predator - lascannon, heavy bolters, possession = 155
Vindicator- possession = 145
2 Obliterators = 150

TOTAL 1997

I've remade the list abit.. added some more bodys to the plague marine squads and removed some from the raptors and chosen making them all 8 man each.
Removed the AC from the chosen giving them 4 plasma guns.

Removed one predator and added a vindicator (or should i use 2 preds anyways.)

BLOOD & GUTS FTW

Cleaned the list up and dropped the Chosen autocannon to pay for the MoN on the smelly prince. With infiltrate and all rapid fire weapons I think the autocannon is 20 misplaced points anyway.

HQ
Demon Prince - MoN, nurgle's rot, wings = 165
Demon Prince - MoK, wings = 140

ELITES
10 Chosen - IoN, 3 plasma guns, AC = 285

TROOPS
5 Plague Marines - 2 plasma guns, PC w/ powerfist = 185
5 Plague Marines - 2 plasma guns, PC w/ powerfist = 185

FAST ATTAK
10 Raptors - IoK, 2 meltaguns, AC w/ powerfist = 290
10 Raptors - IoK, 2 meltaguns, AC w/ powerfist = 290

HEAVY SUPPORT
Predator - lascannon, heavy bolters, possession = 155
Predator - lascannon, heavy bolters, possession = 155
2 Obliterators = 150

TOTAL
2000 points

I think it's a decent list that will be fun to play, but I really think those plague marines deserve some more models. I'd love for them to be 7 models strong, especially in 5th edition where they're your only scoring troops in the army currently. I'd also like to see a powered weapon (twin lightning claws for flare probably) on the chosen AC, probably paid for my dropping that squad down to 8 strong. The raptors could be chopped into to pay for more plaguers - again, making both squads 8 strong - but then I dislike raptors anyway ... The possession on the preds does make them solid, particularly in 5th where vehicles are tough anyway and get shaken a lot, but I always ask myself if BS3 is worth it. I can never decide, but I think 2 possessed preds are a tasty threat. More so than 1 vindicator and 1 BS3 pred would be. Also, warptime is a much better psychic power for the prince, followed by wind of chaos to go vomit on things. Rot is so ... meh.

Anyway, some thoughts. If you're playing for fun give it a whirl as is, but I do think bigger plague squads will be a good investment.

- Salvage

mark of khorne on the demon prince is a waste of a demon prince. give him warp time and call it "Fury of the Blood God" or something. its really much much better. rot is a fine power. it kills hordes in droves, which is good since lots of people are picking up orks and nid hordes.

you have too many raptors. theyre pretty good with Mok but 20 is too many.

by contrast you have FAR to few Plague marines. they need to be in big squads so they become even harder to kill.

predators arent as good as oblits, especially with demonic possession. get another 4 oblits.

i think you got a good point ill try add some more to the plague marines and make the raptor squads 8 man each.

should i add a plasma gun instead of the AC? so i'd have 4 plasma guns in that unit.

Thanks allot for the cleaning im not to great at writing army lists you made it look so much nicer ^^

Unless you want the Chosen in combat, plasma wont hurt!

You want BS 3 on your predators? Better get something else for the points imo.

Space_hoppo wrote:Unless you want the Chosen in combat, plasma wont hurt!

Hmm i dont realy understand this.. you mean in assault? no i dont i just want to shoot with plasma guns.


i've been thinking of making the chosen squad a assault squad however changing plasmas for power weapons and fists and change mark of nurgle for khorne.

1 squad with 4 powerfists would be kind of scary i think ^^

Anyways would it work to have a infiltrating squad with melee weapons?

Kallbrand wrote:You want BS 3 on your predators? Better get something else for the points imo.

I know predators are much much weaker in this codex but the problem is i have 2 of those models and i want to use them or at least one since its painted.

I've removed one predator in my current list for a vindicator.

Yeah seeing as plasma is no good if you are going to charge in, the AC with his extra attack would be better (4 on a charge, it's awesome!) You should really give a AC a powerfist, or at least a Power weapon though, makes him a nasty bugger.

Space_hoppo wrote:Yeah seeing as plasma is no good if you are going to charge in, the AC with his extra attack would be better (4 on a charge, it's awesome!) You should really give a AC a powerfist, or at least a Power weapon though, makes him a nasty bugger.

Maybe im reading over it but an chosen aspiring champion cant get any special weapons on the normal chosen I can and 4 of them to ^^
Thats why i removed the aspiring champion. also to make some extra points for another plague marine.

Well it's your army list, yeah chosen can be real points drainers if they want to be. Expensive but nasty. In a good way.

Here's my version:

HQ
Demon Prince - MoN, nurgle's rot, wings = 165
Demon Prince - MoK, wings = 140

ELITES
10 Chosen - IoN, 3 plasma guns, AC w/ lightning claws = 310

TROOPS
7 Plague Marines - 2 plasma guns, PC w/ powerfist = 231
7 Plague Marines - 2 plasma guns, PC w/ powerfist = 231

FAST ATTAK
8 Raptors - IoK, 2 meltaguns, AC w/ powerfist = 250
8 Raptors - IoK, 2 meltaguns, AC w/ powerfist = 250

HEAVY SUPPORT
Predator - lascannon, heavy bolters = 135
Predator - lascannon, heavy bolters = 135
2 Obliterators = 150

TOTAL
1997 points

-- Kept rot on the nurgle prince, apparently people like it, S3 just seems weak to me but whatev, jam him in with some orks or gaunts and rot them while T6 keeps him around
-- Chosen gain a killy champ with 2 claws
-- Plague marines get beefed up a bit, now fluffy and sticking around with 7
-- Raptors dropped to make points, now fluffy as well with 8
-- Preds no longer possessed and have their BS4 back, bunker them down in cover and shot things

For the record, I like your theme and the Khorne / Nurgle prince + Khorne / Nurgle preds. And I feel 2x preds hanging back and firing is more meaningful armored support than 1 pred that hangs back and 1 vindi that goes forward to smash things.

- Salvage

Thanks again boss!

i think ill go with your list i like the fluffed squads and i see what you mean with 1 pred/ vindi

Do you think changing the melta guns on the raptors for plasma pistols would be a good idea?

they would lose abit of anti tank but gain some extra power for assault.

Keep the meltas. The squad doesn't need help with assault, but could definitely find a use for 2x meltas in the enemy backfield. Also, the last thing you want is a 35 point raptor dying to a plasma pistol overload. And finally, if a raptor takes a melta he still has his bolt pistol + ccw (it doesn't say he replaces any equipment, just takes a melta in addition), so gets 4 attaks (with MoK) on the charge anyway.

- Salvage

Aaah i didnt think about it that way ^^
Indeed if they still have 4 attacks with melta anyway ill just stick with them ^^

The only thing that a plasma pistol does that a meltagun doesn't is a) let you fire twice if the unit stands still, b) overheat, and c) cost 5 points more. I think only from a modeling stand point should a plasma pistol be considered over a meltagun

- Salvage

In 5th, a plasma pistol doesn't even do A anymore.

They got rid of the pistol twice rule? Is it now one shot only ever?

Pistols are basically just Assault 1 weapons, now. No more double-tapping pistols, no.

Stelek wrote:In 5th, a plasma pistol doesn't even do A anymore.

Thats devastating, how can they do that?

Boss_Salvage wrote:Here's my version:

HQ
Demon Prince - MoN, nurgle's rot, wings = 165
Demon Prince - MoK, wings = 140

ELITES
10 Chosen - IoN, 3 plasma guns, AC w/ lightning claws = 310

TROOPS
7 Plague Marines - 2 plasma guns, PC w/ powerfist = 231
7 Plague Marines - 2 plasma guns, PC w/ powerfist = 231

FAST ATTAK
8 Raptors - IoK, 2 meltaguns, AC w/ powerfist = 250
8 Raptors - IoK, 2 meltaguns, AC w/ powerfist = 250

HEAVY SUPPORT
Predator - lascannon, heavy bolters = 135
Predator - lascannon, heavy bolters = 135
2 Obliterators = 150

TOTAL
1997 points
- Salvage

Hey Boss, the Chosen are a bit overpriced, after all, they wear only power armour.
I'd mount the Plague Marines in Rhinos, they can also be used as moving hills for the Raptors.
Finally, I'd replace the Predators by 2x2 Obliterators any day.

Lehigh valley is a great area. I was several times there when I studied at Princeton Univ.

wuestenfux wrote:Hey Boss, the Chosen are a bit overpriced, after all, they wear only power armour.
I'd mount the Plague Marines in Rhinos, they can also be used as moving hills for the Raptors.
Finally, I'd replace the Predators by 2x2 Obliterators any day.

Lehigh valley is a great area. I was several times there when I studied at Princeton Univ.

Agreed on the chosen, I tend to shy away from them myself. I think if I ran them I'd go 8 models, 3 plasma, 1 lightning claws AC, IoCU. The IoN on them I figure is for theme and hey, 10 dudes with T5 3+ saves is 'good' in the sense that plasma and AT weapons kill them easy but other stuff not so much :S

Rhinos are up to him, don't know if he has 2. I figure plaguers are good to stomp in where they need to be and absorb some fire.

And on the oblits, I shy away from going oblit crazy like all "competitive" Chaos has to, and he's got 2 preds with an interesting blood & guts theme going on. I myself wonder how many people own 6+ oblits, that are actually obliterator models.

Aye, the Valley is ok, good gaming buds out here especially. I think my fiancee and I are too young and have too few kids (as in, none) to appreciate the area too much

- Salvage

Well, Predators will become pillboxes in the 5th ed.
Obliterators can give decent fire support for the advancing Plague Marines and Raptors.
By the way, I own 6 Obliterators and use them in my current Chaos army.

list looks nice to me, but i dont see the point in having lightning claws in your shooty chosen. drop the claws and get another plasma gun, and switch IoN to IoCU as mentioned above. IoN is way overprized for a unit thats going to kill itself

I would prefer to see Oblits as well (and not just because my Exorcists one shot them) but two predators hiding in cover should be pretty damn hard in 5th, as Salvage points out. Said Exorcists can weather a lot of fire in 5th.

Chosen infiltrate still, correct? If so, they will be nice in 5th, being able to pop in on the short edge and surprise folks. In such a case, I think putting the claws on them is worth it, since it seems to be they will become a counter charge target. Not many people will want to try and outshoot 3 plasma guns after all.

I don't know about the raptors; I might be inclined to drop one for a lesser daemon unit, but there is nothing wrong with 8 fellows with jump packs toting meltas! (Or flamers...)

Exorcists don't really weather alot of fire, do they?

Glance 5 kills the gun, glance 6 immobilizes.

Pen is worse...but once the gun is gone, you can ignore them as a threat. They might still be able to contest, so at some point you want to immobilize or destroy them...but it's not hard to overwhelm exorcists.

A predator at least has secondary weapons batteries, so isn't gimped as soon as it loses its gun.

I know obliterators are better then preds but since i have 2 preds i might as well use them and i dont feel like buying more obliterators.
I want to keep the incon of nurgle for the chosen since its the theme of the army either khorne or nurgle and i thought i needed some more fire power so i chose nurgle.

however i could remove the chosen all together and add more plague marines, but i kind of like the ability to infiltrate.