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All five men squads. FYI

HQ--276

Captain
B Pistol, Frag, krak, Power weapon

comman squad
2x plasma guns

Reclusiarch
J pack, frag, melta bombs, B Pistol,

ELITES--341

Vet squad Lascannon
skill tank hunter

Vet squad Lascannon
skill tank hunter

Vet squad multi melta, vet, fist, (frag because I have always had one point left over)
skill infiltrate

TROOPS--520

Lascannon
Lascannon
Missle Launcher
Plasma Gun
Plasma Gun
Plasma Gun

FAST ATTACK--398

Assault squad Flamer, vet, fist
Assault squad Flamer, vet, p weapon, melta bombs
Assault squad Flamer, vet, p weapon ( No Packs on foot )

HEAVY SUPPORT--315

Dev squad 2x heavy bolter
Dev sqaud 2x heavy bolter
Dev squad 2x heavy bolter

Well this list served me well in 3rd ed and 4th ed so I figure I would post it before 5th ed rolls out. This list fills the FOC at 17 units at five men each. Set up is one of the tactics in this list as you have so many items to place and place them how you want to. As you work further into the list you can start to place key units where they need to be so that you have the proper support on the side you need.

Two list it has not faced at 1850 of which I hope to get in this next week at a hobby store.

Horde IG

Nid zilla

Got a few games of Zilla in at different point levels and have won them all. This has been my main list that I bring out once in awhile because it has not been stopped yet. I just wanted to post the list for others to test out and or use if they have a game coming up. Throw down your input but please hold your side remarks because the proof is in the SM list!

Well, the list looks really interesting.
Deployment is key in this list, since it lacks mobility.
Against IG with hull down Bassies you might have some trouble,
and against Zillas you will need all your plasma guns to take down the MCs.
Possibly, I'll try it out...

wuestenfux

Deployment is key in this list, since it lacks mobility.

I have marched more times than I can count with this army. The sheer amount of fire power from this list will allow you to take a licking and keep on ticking. One or two turns of pounding the enemy into the ground and the next few turns of walking while your cleaning up whats left ie ranged items.

Another thing is its very hard to hide something from this army. Their are just to many weapon with 48" range while in placement you are able to work on LOS. As a unit goes down so does the basilisk thus you are able to adjust placement so that you can aquire a lock. If anything just run a squad of assault marines down the side and kill it. If they do happen to hit, your only getting three to five men of which would still leave you with at least your weapon in the squad. Many times I have had four men removed while one live some how. Then again i have seen the bassy miss every time, and even if it did hit I still have a good amount of weapon to keep moving forward.

So in 5E when you can't place or not place, this list is still good you think?

I don't know if this is really a decent list or not.

It looks like you are hanging everything on ATSKNF and having 4 bodies a squad to take casualties...without having to worry about torrent of fire picking off your special/heavy weapons.

Personally I'd use torrent on your units until you lost some ranged fire, and if I was running a horde army (wait...I do) I'd enjoy playing this army because you are very vulnerable to torrents but you cannot torrent me in return.

Anyway I think 5E will make this army useless.

Stelek

So in 5E when you can't place or not place, this list is still good you think?

This list will stand until the new SM codex rolls out and changes the format.

I don't know if this is really a decent list or not.

I have yet to see anybody fielding a list like this and I have been playing this list for years. Though I would have say its not a decent list but a godly list.

It looks like you are hanging everything on ATSKNF and having 4 bodies a squad to take casualties...without having to worry about torrent of fire picking off your special/heavy weapons.

I built the list for bodies because the bolters and bodies are the key to the list. I did simple upgrades so that I could add more bodies to the list. I filled the FOC for placement control and the many other tactics that come with this list. As far as Torrent of Fire goes I just have to many units for the enemy to worry about. If your going to bring that much fire to one unit then the return fire is going to eat you alive. You are going to have so many small five man units that are going to just rip what ever fired off the board. I have seen it to many times as people go blasting away into a unit or just would rather not assault. Assault gives up five men and or allows me to dog pile you to death. I could even bring up support because of placement, ie power weapon and fist to finish what ever found my lines.

I have seen a Flyrant just rip threw my lines only to find himself along at the end of the game on my side of the board. All the while I controls everything else just by walking. 5th ed is going to change this some as it will allow me to run which is going to be a big boost to the foot sloggin marine list. Once the new SM codex hits this list will fanish somewhat as it going to reduce my over all unit count. Granted I will be able to split units which could equal but its not going to let me control placement like it use to.