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i was thinking about going for 1500 pts as its the local most common game size.
as i didn't play DE for quite some time i didn't really know what i would need or not need (last time i played DE there weren't even the vehicle upgrades included in the dex ).
well this is the list i came up with:

HQ

wych archite
-agoniser
-combat drugs
=
115

retinue:
9 wyches
-wych weapons
-succubus with PW
-raider
=
195


ELITE

10 warriors
-sybarite with WWP
-2 dark lances
=
156

10 warriors
-sybarite with WWP
-2 dark lances
=
156


TROOPS

10 wyches
-succubus with PW
-wych weapons
-Raider
=
208

10 wyches
-succubus with PW
-wych weapons
-Raider
=
208

10 wyches
-succubus with PW
-wych weapons
-Raider
=
208

HEAVY

ravager
-1 dark lance 2xdisintegrator
=
115

ravager
-1 dark lance 2xdisintegrator
=
115


overall plan:
the 2 warri squads deploy behind cover, fleet of foot forward first round but try to stay in cover. second round activation of WWP and charge with everything thats getting on the table (hopefully a lot )

adds up to 1476 pts, dont know what to do with the rest, haven't got any experience with the vehicle upgrades, maybe get some of them? should wych squads get blaster or shredder? do i need the power weapons with my succubi?

greetz sieek

Well, two small Warrior squads carrying the WWPs is a gamble.
Better take two maxed out units, or another 10 men squads so that the enemy has to guess who's carrying the WWPs.
I figured that three Wych squads are enough in 1500 pt games.
Give each Wych squad two blasters and the Succubi agonizer and trophy rack.
The Archite would benefit from plasma grenades and shadow field.

Are you allowed to make your opponant guess when it comes to WWP? I don't have the codex handy, but don't you have to specify what model is carrying it?

lol just realised lelith is way better than a normal archite, she's got everything i bought for my archite and is cheaper in points.
as she is equipped with a shadow field, will she be able to fleet of foot?? would be the only downer, but no problem since she and her retinue can pick the results of the combat drugs leaving her with the greater charge range if needed ^^
well here's the revised list:


HQ

lelith hesperax
=
90

retinue:
9 wyches
-wych weapons
-succubus with agoniser + trophy rack
-2x blaster
-raider
=
215


ELITE

15 warriors
-sybarite with WWP
-2 dark lances
=
196

15 warriors
-sybarite with WWP
-2 dark lances
=
196


TROOPS

10 wyches
-succubus with agoniser + trophy rack
-2x blaster
-wych weapons
-Raider
=
228

10 wyches
-succubus with agoniser + trophy rack
-2x blaster
-wych weapons
-Raider
=
228


HEAVY

ravager
-1 dark lance 2xdisintegrator
=
115

ravager
-1 dark lance 2xdisintegrator
=
115

this adds up to 1383 and leaves me with 117 points, either i buy another ravager or i max my 2 squads and buy some useless wargear or vehicle upgrade or i try to shave of some points and make 4 wych squads of 8 wyches.
what would be best?

with 4 squads i could bind more units in cc but they would get killed easier.
a third ravager would give me some more mobile firepower.
maxing out the warris seems to me most useless as 15 guys x 2 should be enough to survive 2 rounds in a 1,5k game.

i'm kinda wondering if i really need the blasters, since the wych squads have to get into cc as fast as possible i dont know if the little shooting they'll do will pay off.

greetz sieek

Looks much better.
The Succubus in Lelith's retinue doesn't need a trophy rack since Lelith has already a higher Ld.
The blasters in the Wych squads always served me well.
For the points left, I'd take another Ravagers.

The only thing I see wrong with this list (haven't looked at it too thoroughly yet) is the Warrior squads. Having the WWPs in the hands of a Sybarite with 15 wounds (meatshields ftw!) is awesome, but putting dark lances in his squad doesn't make sense. You obviously want to move those squads to get to an optimal WWP placing position, right? If you move, you can't fire your lances, and they're just wasted points. I'd say, switch to Splinter Cannons, since that way you can still fire your special weapons, and protect those WWP squads a bit better.

sieek wrote:lol just realised lelith is way better than a normal archite, she's got everything i bought for my archite and is cheaper in points.
as she is equipped with a shadow field, will she be able to fleet of foot?? would be the only downer, but no problem since she and her retinue can pick the results of the combat drugs leaving her with the greater charge range if needed ^^
well here's the revised list:


HQ

lelith hesperax
=
90

retinue:
9 wyches
-wych weapons
-succubus with agoniser + trophy rack
-2x blaster
-raider
=
215


ELITE

15 warriors
-sybarite with WWP
-2 dark lances
=
196

15 warriors
-sybarite with WWP
-2 dark lances
=
196


TROOPS

10 wyches
-succubus with agoniser + trophy rack
-2x blaster
-wych weapons
-Raider
=
228

10 wyches
-succubus with agoniser + trophy rack
-2x blaster
-wych weapons
-Raider
=
228


HEAVY

ravager
-1 dark lance 2xdisintegrator
=
115

ravager
-1 dark lance 2xdisintegrator
=
115

this adds up to 1383 and leaves me with 117 points, either i buy another ravager or i max my 2 squads and buy some useless wargear or vehicle upgrade or i try to shave of some points and make 4 wych squads of 8 wyches.
what would be best?

with 4 squads i could bind more units in cc but they would get killed easier.
a third ravager would give me some more mobile firepower.
maxing out the warris seems to me most useless as 15 guys x 2 should be enough to survive 2 rounds in a 1,5k game.

i'm kinda wondering if i really need the blasters, since the wych squads have to get into cc as fast as possible i dont know if the little shooting they'll do will pay off.

greetz sieek

Taking a better look...

Yes, models with the Shadowfield can still fleet. It says so in the 'dex. So Lelith can fleet

Her retinue looks fine, just take out the blasters and trophy rack.

Warriors, see my post above.

Wyches, look good, but again, take out the blasters.

Ravagers are always fun, I'd even suggest taking a third one! Lots of heavy weapons goodness.

well the warriors squads are just gonna move in the first round.
in the second they will stand and shoot so i can activate the WWP (maybe my dex is to old but it says you can't move in the turn you want todeploy the WWP)
from that on they'll just target whatever comes their way, maybe they' would have to move in my last turn to contest objectives. still their main purpose is to stand and shoot

That's right. The WWP carrier can only deploy the portal when her squad doesn't move that turn.
So our tactics is pretty sound.

Ok, I see what your talking about. In that case, nice list!