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I looked through the old threads and did not see this brought up. This came up in a tournament I was in recently.

The wording of the rule that matters is as follows:
Any enemy unit wishing to target the shadowseer or the unit she is with must roll 2d6x2. This is their spotting distance in inches.
If the models are not within spotting range, they may not fire that turn.

So I always took this to mean that if a member of the shooting unit is within spotting distance of the harlequins, then the whole squad can fire at the entire squad of harlequins, assuming everyone was within weapon range. My opponent brought to my attention that it can easily be interpreted as only models in the shooting unit within the spotting distance can actually fire at models that can be spotted in the harlequin unit. I was curious if anyone had run into a definitive answer to this question.

The 5th edition night fight rules clearly state unit to unit, and I feel that using unit in the first sentence might be interpreted as unit to unit, but the last sentence uses models, which may be just GW trying to not overuse the same noun, but might also mean what my opponent said.

Thanks

AngrBodr wrote:I looked through the old threads and did not see this brought up. This came up in a tournament I was in recently.

The wording of the rule that matters is as follows:
Any enemy unit wishing to target the shadowseer or the unit she is with must roll 2d6x2. This is their spotting distance in inches.
If the models are not within spotting range, they may not fire that turn.

So I always took this to mean that if a member of the shooting unit is within spotting distance of the harlequins, then the whole squad can fire at the entire squad of harlequins, assuming everyone was within weapon range. My opponent brought to my attention that it can easily be interpreted as only models in the shooting unit within the spotting distance can actually fire at models that can be spotted in the harlequin unit. I was curious if anyone had run into a definitive answer to this question.

The 5th edition night fight rules clearly state unit to unit, and I feel that using unit in the first sentence might be interpreted as unit to unit, but the last sentence uses models, which may be just GW trying to not overuse the same noun, but might also mean what my opponent said.

Thanks

one of the biggest mistakes people make about VoT is comparing it with the night fighting rules. VoT is NOT night fighting, it is a psychic power with its own rules that have nothing to do with night fighting, though they are similar rules.

YOu can't even fire a barrage weapon at the Clowns, even though you can fire a barrage weapon at a target you can't see.

VoT=/=Nightfighting.

therefore it would ONLY be the models in spotting range, not the whole unit, as the wording of the codex is how it works.

AngrBodr wrote:
Any enemy unit wishing to target the shadowseer or the unit she is with must roll 2d6x2. This is their spotting distance in inches.
If the models are not within spotting range, they may not fire that turn.

So I always took this to mean that if a member of the shooting unit is within spotting distance of the harlequins, then the whole squad can fire at the entire squad of harlequins, assuming everyone was within weapon range. My opponent brought to my attention that it can easily be interpreted as only models in the shooting unit within the spotting distance can actually fire at models that can be spotted in the harlequin unit. I was curious if anyone had run into a definitive answer to this question.

Look at the text of the rule. The third sentence is the penalty: "If the models are not within spotting range, they may not fire that turn."

So the penalty is applied to FIRING models who are not in range of any Harlequins. So as long as the firing model is within spotting distance of a single Harlequin then he can fire at the whole Harlequin unit because VOT says absolutely nothing about models in the Harlequin unit.

Look for a 5E FAQ coming to a town near you!

As far as I can tell the unit that wishes to target the harlequins wish to fire on them they have to roll the dice for spotting, if the harlequins are withing range then they can fire, if they are not they cant.

Nothing is stated about individual models on ither side.