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Well, I hate using Dark Reapers but what can ya do.

Fortune the reapers, guide the reapers, doom something...watch the fireworks.

1750 Pts - Eldar Roster

1 Farseer @ 175 Pts
Psyker; Doom ; Fortune ; Guide ; Fleet; Ghost Helm (GH); Rune Armour (RAmr); Runes of Warding (RofWard); Runes of Witnessing (RofWit); Spirit Stones (P:SpStn); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB)

1 Farseer @ 160 Pts
Psyker; Doom ; Fortune ; Guide ; Fleet; Ghost Helm (GH); Rune Armour (RAmr); Runes of Witnessing (RofWit); Spirit Stones (P:SpStn); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB)

7 Harlequin Troupe @ 288 Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Close Combat Weapon (x1); Harlequins Kiss (Hkiss) (x6); Shuriken Pistol (x7); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Death Jester @ [28] Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequin Shrieker Cannon (HSC); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Shadow Seer @ [62] Pts
Psyker; Veil Of Tears ; Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequins Kiss (Hkiss); Fusion Pistol (Fp); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Troupe Master @ [48] Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Power Weapon; Fusion Pistol (Fp); Hallucinogen Grenades

7 Harlequin Troupe @ 288 Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Close Combat Weapon (x1); Harlequins Kiss (Hkiss) (x6); Shuriken Pistol (x7); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Death Jester @ [28] Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequin Shrieker Cannon (HSC); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Shadow Seer @ [62] Pts
Psyker; Veil Of Tears ; Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequins Kiss (Hkiss); Fusion Pistol (Fp); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Troupe Master @ [48] Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Power Weapon; Fusion Pistol (Fp); Hallucinogen Grenades

8 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 192 Pts
Fleet; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Stealth; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x8); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

8 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 192 Pts
Fleet; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Stealth; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x8); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

4 Dark Reapers @ 227 Pts
Reaper Launcher (RL)
1 Dark Reaper Exarch @ [87] Pts
Crack Shot (CS); Fast Shot (FS); Missile Launcher (ML)

4 Dark Reapers @ 227 Pts
Reaper Launcher (RL)
1 Dark Reaper Exarch @ [87] Pts
Crack Shot (CS); Fast Shot (FS); Missile Launcher (ML)

Total Roster Cost: 1749

hmm, looks an interesting list.

Just had a play around with a similar list and was wondering whether it would be viable for 1500pts.

I was thinking along the lines of having a little firing line with the Jetbikes doing a little JSJ and the Farseers zooming to wherever they're needed.

1 Farseer @ 183Pts
Fortune, Doom, Guide, Spirit Stones, Ghost Helm, Rune Armour, Eldar Jetbike, Shuriken Pistol; Singing Spear, Shuriken Catapult

1 Farseer @ 153Pts
Doom, Guide, Spirit Stones, Ghost Helm, Rune Armour, Eldar Jetbike, Shuriken Pistol; Singing Spear, Shuriken Catapult

5 Pathfinders @ 120Pts

5 Pathfinders @ 120Pts

5 Pathfinders @ 120Pts

3 Guardian Jetbikes @ 76Pts
Shuriken Cannon

3 Guardian Jetbikes @ 76Pts
Shuriken Cannon

5 Dark Reapers @ 217Pts
Exarch, Eldar Missile Launcher, Fast Shot

5 Dark Reapers @ 217Pts
Exarch, Eldar Missile Launcher, Fast Shot

5 Dark Reapers @ 217Pts
Exarch, Eldar Missile Launcher, Fast Shot


1499Pts

Blast :( counted up the points wrong on the farseers

*fixed

Hey Gary, please don't hijack the threat.
Stelek, in 5th ed, shooty units like Reapers or Havocs are more in danger than in the 4th.
While they sit in the backfield, Scouts or Infiltrators may show up behind them.

Apologies, just something dosn't look right with the original list, can't put my finger on it though. Forget the one I did, i've since designed better ones.

The high amount of AP3 shots with rerolls in hits and wounds would be a real pain to MEQ's, but i'm trying to figure whether there's enough power to punch through a Rhino Rush or an equivelent Mech army.

If you face a mech army, do the Reaper Missiles target the vehicles whilst the Snipers and Harleys go for infantry?

wuestenfux wrote:Hey Gary, please don't hijack the threat.
Stelek, in 5th ed, shooty units like Reapers or Havocs are more in danger than in the 4th.
While they sit in the backfield, Scouts or Infiltrators may show up behind them.

They aren't really in danger, there aren't alot of them--and they have good range, so they can sit in midfield and ignore side forays.

It's only 30 guys, and the Harlies can put anything away if they need to.

Gary wrote:Apologies, just something dosn't look right with the original list, can't put my finger on it though. Forget the one I did, i've since designed better ones.

The high amount of AP3 shots with rerolls in hits and wounds would be a real pain to MEQ's, but i'm trying to figure whether there's enough power to punch through a Rhino Rush or an equivelent Mech army.

If you face a mech army, do the Reaper Missiles target the vehicles whilst the Snipers and Harleys go for infantry?

You will have issues with mech. This is a you can't kill me but I can kill you army.

It's a rock, and there are paper armies for it.

If that army is a rock, its a very small peice of brittle sandstone.

It isnt hard to come up with a better version of a Dark Reaper based footslogging list...one that covers many more bases than this one does.

So many points tied up in Harlequins that took a massive hit with 5e...its a waste. The list is also SUPER weak considering the amount of objective grabbing.

YUK.

I'd add a Wraithlord to hang around with the Reapers.
While DRs and WL hold the centre, the Harlies can approach the enemy along the flanks.

They did?

Only Eldar and Tyranids retain anything close to the 4E 'standard', and properly supporting their respective units is key. So you have to think for 2 seconds instead of firing 72 stealers at the enemy? Not a bad thing, IMO.

Oh and LRC are almost as good at rending in 5E, gotta remember that. Sammael is I think just as good. Don't think there's any other TL AC's out there, is there?

By the way, while I don't disagree with you that there are different versions you could make--why don't you post one?

It's easy to drive from the backseat, yes?

Its ok but whats to stop infiltrators from attacking your shooty troops? your harlies have to deal with the direct threat

If you are in the middle of the board...it's 2 feet to each side. How are infiltrators attacking the shooty troops?

Only two anti-tank weapons in the entire list and firing either of them at a vehicle means the majority of your remaining firepower is completely wasted. Furthermore, the entirety of the list's firepower is static so capturing objectives may prove problematic.

It looks like it will crumble to horde and mech lists. It will be remarkably durable to shooty armies when deployed in cover thanks to 2+ invulnerable saves on the screen and the reapers getting a 4+ re-rollable, but will it have enough firepower to stomp out the enemy while simultaneously securing objectives (assuming it isn't a KP game)? You're paying a large premium for those AP3 reaper launchers which are much less valuable in 5th with all of the cover.

Yes, it's a paper tiger.

Stelek wrote:Yes, it's a wimpy list.

There you go, fixed it for you.

You're welcome.

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With two maxed units of harlies (over 250 pts apeice), 2 pathfinders units for grabbing objectives in 2/3 of all games even though they're only useful while motionless within cover, and 2 dark reaper units almost maxed out, this seems more like an army that a 9 year old attracted to the 'power' of a codex built and not an army built by a solid gamer.

Whatever two units are fortuned (assuming you manage to get fortune off in the first place considering psychic defence) can be ignored with shooting, whatever two units that are left within range/sight are toast. 2+ cover save might sound impressive on paper...but when my favorite weapons for killing terminators are massed heavy bolters, scatter lasers, and small arms fire anyway....I'm unimpressed. This army has no objective grabbing ability, and its totally vulnerable to Mech armies....armour 14 is only vulnerable if your harlies are within 12" before they move. It has NOTHING to deal with Horde Orks, and if the harlies get outmaneuvered and neutralised, basic space marines without the aid of heroes can kill it in combat. One unlucky failed leadership check see's around 200+ points fall off of the board....assuming that you stay back where the reapers/pathfinders are safe and useful. This army is horrendously vulnerable to any army that deepstrikes with a flamer....killing 200 pts with one shot.....and you dont have enough cheap models to castle effectively against something like that.

No decent player worth his army would lose to this. Its a gimmick list that's easy to trump....REALLY easy.


Footslogging eldar need SOME sort of numbers and I'd say at LEAST 4 scoring units that arent bound to terrain features and can be threatening on the move. Lots of Dark Reapers can be effective, but two units arent going to be winning any games by themselves. The points spent on harlequins in a shooting eldar army would be better spent on MORE GUNS, given the hit that Harlies took considering rending and the new wound allocation system. 560+ points can pick up a LOT of firepower in an eldar army...and hand to hand can be dealt with and controlled reallyl easily in 5e.

For a footslogging list that can be effective with practice featureing Dark Reapers...you'd be better off filling your troop choices completely with several units of guardians anchored by a fortuned avatar...perhaps one unit of Dire Avengers to hang up a serious CC threat and mow down more light infantry. Between the avatar and maybe a cheap wraithlord...HtH can be dealt with. Any footslogging army featuring LOTS of cheaper troops would be more versitile and stronger than this one.

Stelek asked me to submit a list....thats a hint, but if you want a better army than the one he posted, tear up your eldar codex with each troop entry seperated, place all the 'troop' choices in your hand excluding vehicles....place dark reapers on the floor in front of you...then throw the peices of paper in the air. Start with the unit that landed closest to the Dark reapers....then select units based on what is the next closest peice of paper to the Dark Reaper portion. When you run out of points, you have your army, and it'll be better than the one he posted above.

You wonder why you end up on the ignore list.

Stelek wrote:You wonder why you end up on the ignore list.

I'm not on yours apparently.

It must hurt to see me be SOO right. I wouldnt blame you if you put me on ignore...you wont have to worry about me pointing out all your bad advice.

All I did was critique your list, dont post a list unless you expect it to be torn apart with gusto. I would think you'd realise that by now.

This is getting kinda funny.. Although I'm very aware of Eldar, since most players near me play mech, I would like to see a list from you Deadshane.

I do know a guy from Alabama that played a list with almost nothing but Guardians. I'm not sure what wargear he gave them, but it was still a sight to see all of them deployed. Of course, this was for 4th ed, and with the last Eldar codex. I dont know how much the list was effected by the release of last years dex.

At Stelek, I play a Tau army with 18 Stealth suits. Hitting you from the flank could hurt some. I wouldn't try to tie you up in combat, but moving 6", shooting 18", then ducking into cover for a save from heavy weapons could begin to thin out your squads. I was wondering how you would react to this tactic?

Well, I havent played much 5e YET, so I cannot claim to be the 'Patton' that Stelek claims to be...

However, I DO know the importance of numbers, and well played numbers beat out quality troops most of the time. They allow for more mistakes, and in 5e they also give you more opportuny. In 4e I've been using guardians like crazy and have had huge success with them anchored by the Avatar....with the new rules for Close Combat I see it as only strengthening the lowly eldar guardian.

I'm actually planning on trying out the footslogging list featuring lots of dark reapers....but I cannot seem to find a real balance that I truly like as yet....but a quick shot with something I'm experimenting with looks like this....

Eldrad
Autarch-Mandiblasters, power weapon, reaper launcher

(10)Scorpions w/Exarch-Claw, Shadowstrike, Stalker

(18+1)Storm guardians w/2xFusion, Spearlock with Conceal
(10)Defenders with Scatter Laser
(10)Defenders with Scatter Laser
(10)Defenders with Scatter Laser
(10)Defenders with Bright Lance
(10)Defenders with Bright Lance

Wraithlord w/ Bright Lance, EML
(5)Dark Reapers with Exarch/EML, Fast/Crack Shot
(5)Dark Reapers with Exarch/EML, Fast/Crack Shot

-1850

Not the best list yet but not terrible either. Pretty well balanced and should give a decent showing in the hands of a competant player. Lots of cheap guardians and the only units that 'hurt' to lose are Dark Reapers (which should both be fortuned and in cover). Storm guardians up front can provide a cover save for the entire army and can "go to ground" out in the open for a 4+ cover save. I didnt put an Avatar in this list since Eldrad is hanging back with the Reapers to protect them, a non-fortuned Avatar is still good but I thought I would try a list without him for once.

More Tankbusting, Scorpions provide a decent weapon against orks and a possible flank charge or infiltration if the need arises. Basically, this list provides you with MANY options....and lots of casualties to take before your objective grabbing is in trouble. Almost 100 foot troopers total. I'm trying something like this but I'm sure it will adjust in the future. At least it isnt a gimmick list, its a balanced one that once one becomes good with it, will have very few lists that simply 'trump' it. Lots of numbers give lists lots of resiliancy while retaining their power...even if the individual trooper is 'crap'. Guardians ARE crap, but bringing 70 of them demands attention.

Eldradtar?

That list is made out of the paper you used to write it with.

It is very easy to kick the Gak out of it.

Now you will do ok vs SAFH

But you will fail saves an lose your men.

Well you now how weak it is so your ok.

ghostmaker wrote:

But you will fail saves an lose your men.

You mean the 4+ cover saves that it has across the board for 70 8pt troopers? or the many CC attacks that kill a unit dead...leaving the opponent open to scads of shuriken catapult shots, killing them twice as fast?

Well you now how weak it is so your ok.

Never said it was weak, it's not weak. Its also not perfect and requires some practice to get used to playing something like this.

Just because an army doenst have toughness 4 and power armour doesnt make it paper thin.

......owned ( I am )

lol

But No k that is a 4+ cover that's cover alot of things get around cover.

Deep striking will Tear this Army a new one. Espically how cover works. (depends)

and its not a ward save if he fails it he dies.

He'll have to learn it but i'm sure Stelek is up to the task.

Not bashing it just stressing it's flaw's

And to the shooting it depends on what army he faces.
All arm chair commanding.

The Haliq. are good but there's two unit's of them.
Bannshees are better then them in 5th

Combat will be his problem

ghostmaker wrote:......

Deep striking will Tear this Army a new one. Espically how cover works. (depends)

The Haliq. are good but there's two unit's of them.
Bannshees are better then them in 5th

Deep striking tears which army apart? The guardian one? The Guardian army can castle against deep strikers leaving them a nice 100 pts squad for a 250 pt term to tear apart before they get shredded by shuricats after they've been doomed. (just an example)
Deep striking actually holds little threat for the guardian army.

Deep striking can definatly hamstring the Pathfinder/Harly list...everything is a valuable target....not so much with the Guardian list.

Arguing the quality of guardians is tough, but its not really the reason I posted the list. I think the guardian list is a more balanced and generally stronger list than the one Stelek posted....thats the only reason I posted it....not to argue how easy it is to kill or what can take it out. I just think its a better combination of troops for a footslogging list than the list that opened up this thread.

Perhaps you think you might be able to come up with an easy way to take out the guardian version of eldar footsloggers....and thats cool, but the real reason it was posted was that its a more realistic veiw of the beginnings of a solid army list for footslogging eldar.

Also, Banshee's arent necessarily better....that depends on the opponent. Against light armour, the Harlies are argueably better.

This list really would only have problems with high av. He has 2 brightlance squads to deal with that.

ghostmaker wrote:That list is made out of the paper you used to write it with.

It is very easy to kick the Gak out of it.

Now you will do ok vs SAFH

But you will fail saves an lose your men.

Well you now how weak it is so your ok.

Why would you view this list any different then a horde army such as Ork, Nid, or mass Fire Warriors? A Guardian is just as good as a Gaunt, only with a better save, same goes for Ork, and Fire Warriors are about the same, just not as good in combat. This list has a major advantage. He moves, you pick what you want to shoot, he could care less what you kill. His turn; He moves, he shoots/charges something you didn't want to loose, now your down 200-300 pts you spent for that nasty combat squad, or Devastator squad while he only lost about 100pts. You lost 10 models out of your 50 model army. He lost 20 models out of his 100 model army. Run the numbers... It's hard to deal with a true horde army that strikes with mass numbers.

I just played a game of 5th edition and someone had dark reapers in the open owning my wraithguard. If the guy had his dark reapers in cover and actually fortuned/guided them successfully, they would have really put some hurt on me =(. Incidentally, a squad of 5 pathfinders dropped a few models in the squad and they ran off the board.

I was pretty darn impressed with dark reapers and pathfinders despite the massive cover saves . Shooting is still pretty viable especially if you have harlequin support.

Also, dark reapers with the ignore cover save power makes EML crazy against av 12 or less. Or even using the ap 4 EML ignoring cover saves against IG and re-rolling to wound if you prefer. I am thinking of dropping my wraithlords for dark reapers. Wraithlords seem so useless in 5th =(.

I rather like the guardian based list, although perhaps an Avatar for the fearless block would do more than the Autarch?

I would also personally consider dire avengers over the storm guardians - I think the role you are looking for is solid anti infantry and deterrant, and perhaps defensive avengers would do that better?

Nonetheless, I think its a strong list.

fazz wrote:I rather like the guardian based list, although perhaps an Avatar for the fearless block would do more than the Autarch?

I would also personally consider dire avengers over the storm guardians - I think the role you are looking for is solid anti infantry and deterrant, and perhaps defensive avengers would do that better?

Nonetheless, I think its a strong list.

I thought about keeping the avatar in, but I have a 'thing' about him not having the protection of Fortune, and he's likely to run away from the reapers...where Eldrad will be hanging out. The Autarch makes pretty darn good point defense however. 6x WS 6 Int 6 power weapon attacks on a Doomed unit. Str 3 against T4 with a RR is better than Str 4 w/o, so he should be a decent point defence guy....The +1 for reserves doenst hurt when the Scorpions are flank marching too....

I actually thought about the Dire Avengers and wanted to fit a unit in. However...they're pricy and present a target when shoehorned into this list. When you have a choice of shooting at guardians OR Dire Avengers...the choice is clear. When its all guardians...nothing you target will hurt the gameplan THAT badly.

You know, half the reason the I read Stelek's army lists is to read all the posts from folks getting riled up over the list...(the other half is, well, to check out the list).

Just you wait, DBM...some people actually *gasp* run my armies and do well.

I think it's the 7th sign.