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I have been working on updating my marines for 5th edition and I was looking for some feedback on this list. The whole thing might change given that a new marine codex is due out in a few months, but for now, this is what I have.

HQ: Belial, Master of the Deathwing

Troops: Deathwing Terminator Squad
Belial's Deathwing Terminator Squad
Power Fist (x1); Lightning Claws (pair) (x3); Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield (x1); Heavy Flamer
Apothecary
1 Deathwing Company Banner

Troops: Tactical Squad
9 Tactical Squad
1 Sergeant
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Bolter (x1)
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x9); Bolter (x7); Flamer; Lascannon
1 Razorback
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

Troops: Tactical Squad
9 Tactical Squad
1 Sergeant
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Bolter (x1)
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x9); Bolter (x7); Flamer; Lascannon
1 Razorback
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers1)

Troops: Tactical Squad
9 Tactical Squad
1 Sergeant
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Bolter (x1)
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x9); Bolter (x7); Flamer; Lascannon
1 Razorback
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

Elite: Dreadnought
1 Dreadnought
Dreadnought CCW; Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

Elite: Dreadnought
1 Dreadnought
Dreadnought CCW; Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

Heavy Support: Land Raider Crusader
1 Land Raider Crusader
Multi-Melta; Twin Linked Assault Cannon; Hurricane Bolters (x2); Power of the Machine Spirit; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

Heavy Support: Whirlwind
1 Whirlwind
Whirlwind Multiple Missile Launcher; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

Heavy Support: Whirlwind
1 Whirlwind
Whirlwind Multiple Missile Launcher; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

Total Roster Cost: 1850

The apothecary and standard just kind of fill up the remaining points, and I was thinking about pulling that for an additional 55 points, but cant really think of what would be added. 7 scoring units, 8 pieces of armor and pretty decent mobility. One thing that would get me to switch to the basic marine codex would be autocannons on the razorbacks. So anyway, comments would be appreciated.

Why razor backs ?

Whirl Winds arent that good.

Why Flamer Lascannon.

It's good that you have 5.

It's ok that I see.

But then again I dont play marines that much.

Drop the pintle mounted storm bolters.

Give the tactical squads melta guns or plasma guns.

I'd try to get 2 Predators to replace the Whirlwinds. Puts more armor on the table, helps the rest of your army survive.

Try to find points for an assault cannon on the Terminators.

Overall the list okay. Having only 30 marines + 5 terminators is going to kind of hurt though.

MarvinGayeIsMyDaddy wrote:Drop the pintle mounted storm bolters.

Give the tactical squads melta guns or plasma guns.

I'd try to get 2 Predators to replace the Whirlwinds. Puts more armor on the table, helps the rest of your army survive.

Try to find points for an assault cannon on the Terminators.

Overall the list okay. Having only 30 marines + 5 terminators is going to kind of hurt though.

Yeah, it is a bit lite on marines, but not on fire power. Plenty of anti-tank and anti infantry. They really are a little weak on the antimarine fire power, so perhaps a couple of plasma guns, or maybe a plasma cannon to help with that. With the predominance of horde armies, I thought that the whirlwinds would be a better choice than predators. I dont actually think the assault cannon helps the terminators, as they are in the crusader and have a ridiculous amount of close combat attacks due to the banner, something like 29 attacks on the charge. The pintle mounted storm bolters would definitely get dropped if I took autocannons from the new codex. My main worry is how survivable a Land Raider really is in 5th edition.

I could drop the dreadnoughts and through in another ten marines with razorback and all the fixings. This would also allow a small squad of scout snipers, though in DA they are not troops, but they will probably be in the next marine codex. That would give me 9-10 scoring units, with minimal loss of armor.

You're not sure about the survivability of a Land Raider? I think it's going to be more of a beast. I believe half of the times I've seen a Land Raider get popped (mine or otherwise) was on a glancing 6. With that gone now, add the 4+ cover save instead of the current rule, and I think the Land Raider moves up a notch on the tanks value/points scale...now we just wait to see if it gets more expensive in the new dex.

So if those changes are made in the new Marine Dex (scouts as Troops, Autocannon Razors' etc) will you just use the new Codex?
I ask because it sounds like you plan on mixing the DA Dex with the forthcoming Marine Dex. Which you can't do as they're independent.
Sorry if this isn't what you meant I just want clarification.

Other than that I agree with Marvin. Maybe add a second Termie Squad and landraider instead of Pred's though.

No definitely not mixing the two. There are a few things about the DA codex that waste points, such as being forced to take veteran sergeants in every squad. Also thewre are less options for the Razorbacks than what is rumored for the new marine codex.
I would love to take a second Land Raider, but that is way too many points.
Thanks for the feedback.