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Just doodling at lunch and came up with this. Worth pursuing?

Farseer, Doom, Guide, Spirit Stones, Runes of Warding: 135
Farseer, Doom, Guide, Spirit Stone, Singing Spear: 123

6x Pathfinders: 144
6x Pathfinders: 144
10x Guardians, Bright Lance: 110
10x Guardians, Bright Lance: 110
6x Jetbikes, 2x Shuriken Cannon: 152
6x Jetbikes, 2x Shuriken Cannon: 152

Vyper, Bright Lance, Spirit Stones: 85
Vyper, Bright Lance, Spirit Stones: 85

2x War Walkers, each with 2x Scatter Lasers, Spirit Stones: 130
2x War Walkers, each with 2x Scatter Lasers, Spirit Stones: 130

Total: 1,500

This is a very unsubtle eldar army . Setup would be a refused flank and tactics would simply involve pouring stupid amounts of firepower into whatever was in front of them. As the game progresses the guardians would advance to claim objectives, with the jetbikes and vypers held ready for late-game dashes to claim or contest.

Any thoughts?

First question, where are you planning on putting your farseers? It would appear that they are going to be running with the guardians. If that's the case, then they are probably equiped as best they could be. If you are planning on keeping one or both with the war walkers then you can ditch the spirit stones and the doom since you'll never be in range to use them.

I have mixed thoughts about vypers in 5th. They seem rather frail but I haven't had a chance to test them out.

All in all this list packs an ok punch, but only at short range when/if the guardians get in range. You'll find that you are going to really struggle against assault forces (particularly fast moving ones) or anything with deep striking flamers. You may want to consider swapping out the guardians (or at least one squad of them) for dire avengers. If nothing else, the extra range on their catapults will do you worlds of good.

I'll throw my hat in on the Vypers in 5th.

My recommendation: Use them, use lots of them. They are way more durable in 5th than they were in 4th IMO:
1) Being immobilized no longer equals death unless you went over 12"
2) SMF may be gone, but hiding behind 4+ cover save is almost as good.

I routinely have Vypers take abuse from multiple rounds of incoming lascannon fire and I get such a thrill out of having a 50% chance to just ignore it. With the relatively slender profile of the vyper it's fairly easy to position them such that you'll be able to hit your target but stay obscured to everything else.

@Phoenix - The plan was to put the Farseers with the guardians, but with the war walkers at guide-range behind, so they can be guided if they need it.

@zmc - good to know Vypers are useful!

Might it be worth having swapping a War Walker for a Vyper and putting the 3 remaining Walkers into one squad so they can all benefit from a single guide roll?

Single Vypers is 1 KP each and a squad is still destroyed on imobilized, so it depends on what you wanna "risk".

Warwalkers are better as 3 for the reason you mentioned, easier to guide/forutne.

With a little tooling you can get 3 WW in a squad + 2 prisms instead of the vypers.

Prisms > Warwalkers, there's just no reason to mix them. Either go with 9 warwalker spam list or 3 fireprisms.. since the OP is interested in the warwalker ambush style of things I'd say just max your WW if you wanna get full HS, dropping the spirit stones on the vypers and war warlkers is a good start on getting the points for them.

Kill points I'm prepared to risk. I prefer the flexibilty that 2 or 3 separate Vypers gives me for contesting objectives and sniping at enemy armour.

As far as spam goes - I'm not a fan. I've duplicated everything in the army so that I can take casualties without my plan going pear-shaped, but maxing out on anything limits my options elsewhere and forces me to rely on that one thing working all the time.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:@Phoenix - The plan was to put the Farseers with the guardians, but with the war walkers at guide-range behind, so they can be guided if they need it.

Risky plan. In general, the biggest defence that war walkers have is range. When they are sitting back 34"-36" away from the enemy, the number of weapons that the enemy has to devote to killing them is reduced by a very large margine. Once you get into the 24" range or less, you start exposing yourself to way more fire power than the war walkers can take. The guardians, on the other hand, are not going to be doing too much till they get to 12". So having these units travel together is probably not going to work out too well.

If you want to do some juggling to make everything fit, you could do something like this:
Lose a war walker and consolidate the remaining 3 into one squad.
Pick up another vyper.
Have the doom/guide/spear farseer go with the guardians.
Switch up the gear on the other farseer so he has guide/fortune/runes of warding and have him hang back with the war walkers.

This will make sure your guaridans have some support and that your war walkers will have protection from fortune and extra fire power via guide. Best of both worlds. It just means that your guaridan squads will have to stick together and generally fire at the same targe. Not such a bad thing. Plus it gives you a bit more mobile anti tank power from the vyper. You'll probably still want to swap out the weapons on the guardian platforms though.

you need some sort of counter charge, also an anvil of sorts. i suggest dropping 1 farseer besides taking multiples of the same hq is cheesey. find some points by dropping the lance from one of the vypers. one should be sacrificial and cheap the other should be doing the work.

@phoenix - yeah, I'm leaning towards that that idea. What would you recommend as an alternate weapon option for the guardian platforms? I'm thinking EML so I can still pop shots off at tanks if I need to (or if the Vypers get downed) or use plasma to get more anti-infantry to tie in with the shuricats.

mmm... doom plus 5th ed blast weapon rules ftw