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G'day from down under!

I currently am looking at running a warrior heavy army. I have been particularly impressed with these guys as of late.

I run 2 units of 4 warriors, 1 winged, 1 leaping... both with Adrenal glands (WS and I) and carapace for the leaping.

I have 4 more warriors to build and was conemplating going with dual scything talons. Maybe a unit of 4 leaping warriors with both adrenal glands, extended carapace, and toxin saces. These come in at 41 points each. They have 5 attacks on the charge at WS 5, Str 5 and I 5. I think this unit can put out the hurt on alot of units, however I'm not sure if i can drop the rending claws.

Dooes anyone have any tips for this? With 5E in mind... oh and what are the changes to rending in regards to fifth ed?

Cheers

having done the maths, rending is still worth it, even for the extra points.

you kill things you would have trouble killing (like wraithlords and terminators) far more easily and can kill tanks as well now that CC attacks hit on the rear armour. it makes them only slightly more expensive, but far more worth it.

dont discount shooty warriors either. Toxin sacs, deathspitter and scytals. Give one a strangler. Keeps em relatively cheap at 31 points a piece and they pump out str 6 blast templates. I had a squad of these get hits on 2 spitter scatters and the strangler scatter and pretty much wiped out a big mob of boyz the other day.

Twin devourers work too if you dont trust the scatter dice. 4 str 4 shots with re-rolls on hits and wounds each at 33pts a pop. I dont use them just because of the short range but ymmv

When I played tyranids I kitted them out similiarly. They were my troop killers. I didn't really worry about hitting anything else with them, and I wouldn't worry about shooting with them either. Save that for Fex's, Zoanthropes, and Tyrants. I say go for it! Test it out for a few games and see how you like it.

Personally I didn't kit any of my nids out with Long range weaponry. My understanding is that Tyranids like to eat stuff. So get up close and let them maw on some enemy heads.

Thanks for the input.

Yeh I don't really go for much shooting with my nids, just the warp blast on my tyrant and a dakka and gun fex.

I'm thinking of going with something similar to 4 winged warriors with scything and rending, then 4-5 leaping with scything and rending, then 3-4 leaping with 2 sets of scything talons.

I think this will work well as the leaper recieve 4+ cover pretty well all the time as i can have them pretty well hidden most of the time. The winged warriors will help keep the hormies in check and rip into bigger targets.

Also thinking about taking a lictor or 2. For 2 reasons, firstly the feeder tendrils when combined with a charge from my warriors or even my hormies will do fantastically well. And hopefully play mind games with my opponent and keep him from relying too much on terrain to hide amongst.

I was looking at making a few changes to my current 1500 army.

At present it has 8 leaping warriors decked out (not sure if they need both AG, EC, TS though). in 2 units.

I was looking at dropping out my 4 winged warriors with rending claws and scything talons for some shooty warriors, or leaping ones as I think Flying warriors are over priced.

So my 3 choices are: 1. another unit of leaping warriors or
2. A unit of 4 warriors with 3 Deathspitters and Scything talons, and 1 with Barbed Strangler and Scything talons. All with ES,EC,TS at 159 points.
3. A unit of 4 warriors with 3 devourers and ST, 1 Barbed strangler. All with ES and TS at 153 points.

My army consists of a flyrant, 8 leaping warriors, 2 carnifexes, 8 stealers, 32 hormagaunts and 12 termagants.

Any opinions?

I have 9 at the moment and really want more.

I field them as a single brood on occation, or as a set of shoot vs melee, they work better as one brood with more mods. The 4deathspiters, 4 scything talons, 1VC, all have RC. The have been consistent overachievers. Leaping makes a huge difference. I have found the Stranglers underwhelming on warriors though.

Lictors are much nicer in 5e - imo. Even if odd - I have had _random_ results from the personally, but totally positive results from using them. Feeder tendrils are mean when well applied. The more you swarm, the better they get.


Also, Flying Tyrant though really nice seems a bit off. Tyrant Guard+ Warp Blast + one gun and melee = crazy survivable now. Tyrant guard claim normal cover saves for the unit (crazy mean in 5e), and the Tyrant can fire 2 weapons. The details are mutable, but the idea is sound. A lone MC is too easy to shoot now.

rarrr

Interesting - nobody thinks it's worthwhile to mix weapons to abuse wound distribution?

then you lose focus to the unit.

kirsanth wrote:I have 9 at the moment and really want more.

I field them as a single brood on occation, or as a set of shoot vs melee, they work better as one brood with more mods. The 4deathspiters, 4 scything talons, 1VC, all have RC. The have been consistent overachievers. Leaping makes a huge difference. I have found the Stranglers underwhelming on warriors though.

Why do you think Strangler underwhelming on warrior? Although VC had more strength than that, but at least had a large blast and pinning.

Well, i don't know, just my thought of about this subject.

Honestly it could be lack of experience.
But it should be noted that 4 s6 small blasts is in that same unit I was refering to, so 1 s4 large blast is not very impressive to compare, but 2 s7 shots rather often can be.

(former player in procrastinating theoryhammer mode)

Well - in the two examples cited by battlekai, he could switch the scything talons on one "trooper" warrior for rendind claws and those on another for spinefists at net cost of 0 points IIRC, losing only two attacks in melee for his trouble.

ES could be moot on deathspitter warriors given they're not rolling to hit any more.

EC could also be rendered moot by selectively screening the warriors - say you have three ripper bases (or w/e) set up just in front of the warriors. During the move phase they back up between the warriors, then run forward after you resolve the warrior's shooting.

Does everyone think carapace is necessary on CC warriors?

I was thinking that perhaps in CC with +I and +WS they would

a) strike first 90% of the time
b) survive ok.

When not in combat they should / would be screened...

Well, you will have to survive the rapid-fire bolters after the assault...