Low model-count Orks?

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**Smashotron**

This may, and kind of does, sound dumb. But. Is there a way to field an Ork army without the 'horde' factor, and still have it function well (if at all possible)? I like Ork fluff and would consider trying them out, but already have an extensive horde (Tyranid) army. The train of thought being; with bugs there are a few main types of armies, a) horde b) stealers c) nidzilla. But for Orks, besides Green Tide and Kult of Speed, what other options could I consider? Again, going off the low model-count again (IF at all possible, or I'm just dumb) i.e. Nidzilla is to Tyranids as BLANK is to Orks.

I may be rambling drunk but hopefully someone understands may inquiry. Thanks in advance!

Smash.

**Voodoo Boyz**

You're going to be stuck somewhat on taking around 100 Models with Orks.

You could do a low model count army with Mega Nobz in a Trukk or Biker Nobz with a Warboss as Troops, 3 Battle Wagons (loaded up with 20 Boyz each) with a KFF Mek sitting in the middle one giving the three AV14 vehicles a 4+ cover save.

It's probably not all that good, but it could work.

**Aduro**

Take Wazdakka and all Bikes.

**Kallbrand**

You can get a low count compared to other orcs, but orcs overall arent gonna have low model count and be that good. Wazd + bikerboss and 2 nobz biker squads will definenly cut down on your modelcount tho.

**Smashotron**

I've been pretty anti-bike for years (with any army) what could i expect to be able to compete with 2k of ork bikes? is it viable? and whats a good list? it sounds like the best bet

**Regwon**

orks will always have more models than MEQ armies, just becuase you can get more of them for the same points. if you dont want to do a tide or kos army then what about an ork shooting army:

Big Mek with sag

Big Mek with sag

15 Lootas

15 Lootas

15 Lootas

30 shoota boys with all the trimmings

30 shoota boys with all the trimmings

3 Big Gunz

3 Big Gunz

3 Big Gunz

i dont have the dex on be at them moment so i cant do you specific points costs. its different and you can put out a silly amount of fire power (45 lootas = sick). you should be able to just gun down most things. AV14 tanks are (and always will be for orks) a problem, but youll only run accross them in IG and necrons, where you can just kill the other stuff, and marine LR spam (which doesnt happen that often).

**Redbeard**

Off the top of my head, you can get to about 2000 points with mega-nobs and battlewagons in about 30 models.

Mega-armour warboss x2
20 Meganobs, each with a battlewagon transport
3 battlewagons w/ killkannons

A unit of nob-bikers, upgraded to the teeth, will run you 650-700 points. If you can make those your troops, you're going to have a low count. They're awful resilient, especially if you get their wargear set-up so they're unique and can spread all the wounds taken around the unit under 5e.

**DonkeyCannon**

take a dread mob. meks allow you to take dreads as troops

Mek
Mek

squads of boyz in trukks

dreadnought
dreadnought

3 killa kans
3 killa kans
3 killa kans

**Steelmage99**

Deffwing.

Copy Deathwing as closely a you can. Megaboss(es), Meganobs and Battlewagons doesn't leave you with a lot of models at most point ranges.

**lucas**

I have found the army using 20 Nob bikers, 2 Warbosses, and a few dethkoptas for contesting very effective. The most I've lost from the Nobz is about 4 from the entire army. On my last turn I like to put a unit on each objective and contest with my warbosses as I detach them and the deffkoptas. As long as you have the painbiy you're good to go!

**Darrian13**

Damn! That is strong. I may have to buy some more bikers to make some nob biker mobs. $35 for 3 is so crazy though.

**Orlanth**

Steelmage99 wrote:Deffwing.

Copy Deathwing as closely a you can. Megaboss(es), Meganobs and Battlewagons doesn't leave you with a lot of models at most point ranges.

Almost exactly what I was going to suggest. You will need Big meks in the list anyway for the Inv save, if you take two you further Deffwing up your list by having no regular orks at all, just two Deff dreads as troops.

H.Q.
Big mek KFF
Big mek KFF

ELITE
Meganobz in battlewagon
Meganobz in battlewagon
Meganobz in battlewagon

TROOPS
Deff Dread
Deff Dread

H.S.
3x Kans
3x Kans
3x Kans

You could swap one some Kans for a minimum boyz mob and a battlewagon.

**Greebynog**

It's much better to take warbosses to give you meganobz as troops, that way you have at least two scoring units.

**Smashotron**

wouldnt the dreds count as scoring with a two mek list? would it be wise to take more dreds? i don't know how they perform. dont kans suck?

(nevermind that! vehicles aren't scoring and the meks only allow one each, got it. but what about Kans?)

**Greebynog**

With kans and dreads, their abilities stack. 1 kan = rubbish. 9 kans = ace. Same rule for dreads, the more you have, the better each one becomes.

**whitedragon**

I would say that bog standard nobs with a painboy, cybork bodies, and uge choppas are better than meganobs. Put them in trukks, let the trukk's "kareen" them where you want them to go!

**Smashotron**

@whitedragon: is that cheaper or simply stronger?

**whitedragon**

Regular nobs can:
move 6" reliably
have a 5+ inv, 4+ feel no pain
have S6/7 Choppas that hit on iniative
ride in a trukk and get "Kareened"
be made cheaply from Fantasy Black Orc box!

I run them:
10 Strong
1 Painboy (get's Urty Syringe)
5+ inv for everybody
8x Uge Choppa
1x Power Klaw
1x Waagh Banner
inna Trukk

**Drunkspleen**

I like the Arma'd Krumpany

1140 points for

HQ
Warboss x2

ELITES
3 Nobz (mounted in Battlewagon) x3

TROOPS
3 Nobz (mounted in Battlewagon) x2

HEAVY SUPPORT
Battlewagon x3

That's with absolutely no gear or upgrades or anything, just the orks and the wagons paid for, but it shows you something you can do.

**Smashotron**

Iz considerin mashun' whitedragon's nob konsept wiff a Dreadmob, boyz! I mean *cough* by the Emperor, something was caught in my throat.

2 Big Meks

2 Dreads

3x3 Kans

AxB Nobs wiff Trukk (don't have codex with me to find a good number or their FOC spot)

**Drunkspleen**

I really think the lack of any scoring units will be a big hinderance

**Democratus**

The Nob-Bike army is extremely hard to kill. You can give an invulnerable save and Feel No Pain to a pile of models with bike toughness. They get wherever they want to go and will destroy just about anything in the game on a charge.

They are a bit weak when it comes to taking multiple objectives. But give up almost no kill points. All in all a very hard army to face across the board.

**Drunkspleen**

When you talk about an invulnerable save do you mean for turbo boosting around on bikes or from cybork bodies?

I assume the main method for killing people with a nob biker army would be to shoot stuff up with the Twin Linked Dakkagun and then get stuck in with your, is it 5 attacks per model on the charge?

**open_sketchbook**

I'd like to suggest an infantry/dread combo. Basically, 9 kans, Big Mek with PF, a basic krumpy warboss, and then infantry, including perhaps a unit of 'ard boys. Basically, use the kans like a nidzilla player uses Fexes, and when you get close swarm the objective with boyz.