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2008/07/13 06:35:22
Subject: Baharroth and Skyleap
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
Between the Sun and the Sky
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Now that 5th Edition has rolled around, and ICs can join other eligible units in reserve, this has raised a question in my mind about Baharroth. He can clearly join a Swooping Hawk unit prior to the game's start and Deep Strike with them, but if he Skyleaps while not part of another Swooping Hawk unit, can he join one "in the sky," and if he is a part of the unit, can he disjoin it "in the sky" as well? This one has me perplexed, and I know there are some good minds in this forum, so fire away.
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2008/07/13 08:39:58
Subject: Baharroth and Skyleap
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2008/07/14 04:01:38
Subject: Baharroth and Skyleap
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
Between the Sun and the Sky
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I have read the FAQ before posting this, and it doesn't clarify that bit at all.
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2008/07/14 04:09:22
Subject: Re:Baharroth and Skyleap
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Sneaky Kommando
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About dis-joining the using, or leaving it, the FAQ states "The Autarch must then remain with the unit and deep strike together with them (i.e. it cannot separate from the unit when it is placed back into reserve)." I'd imagine this principle is the same regardless of the subject in question, Autarch, Phoenix Lord, whatever.
As far as joining in the sky, my rule of thumb is that if it doesn't say you can, you can't. You cannot infer anything that is not actually there. If you cannot find any reference about IC's joining units while in reserve or off the table during play, then they can't. Now, feel free to make a house rule with your buds if you want, but as far as strict RAW, I don't think you can.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/07/14 04:11:11
Moz:
You: "Hold on, you rammed, that's not a tank shock"
Me: "Ok so what is a ram, lets look at the rules."
Rulebook: "A ram is a special kind of tank shock"
You: "So it's a tank shock until it hits a vehicle, and then it's a ram, not a tank shock, and then it goes back to being a tank shock later!"
Me: "Yeah it doesn't really say any of that in here, how about we just play by what's written in here?" |
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2008/07/14 10:30:54
Subject: Re:Baharroth and Skyleap
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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DaBoss wrote:
As far as joining in the sky, my rule of thumb is that if it doesn't say you can, you can't. You cannot infer anything that is not actually there. If you cannot find any reference about IC's joining units while in reserve or off the table during play, then they can't. Now, feel free to make a house rule with your buds if you want, but as far as strict RAW, I don't think you can.
BGB pg.94 Fifth paragraph.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2008/07/14 10:37:04
Subject: Baharroth and Skyleap
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Stormin' Stompa
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@Lordhat
The relevance of your quote escapes me. Could you please elaborate.
As an aside. Are we going back to BBB, sticking with BGB or due we change it to BRB (Big Red Book)? 
Edit. Ooops, I just saw that BRB is the Fantasy rulebook. Nevermind me.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/07/14 10:38:21
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"He died because he had no honor. He had no honor and the Emperor was watching."
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2008/07/14 11:11:55
Subject: Baharroth and Skyleap
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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BGB pg. 94 (fifth paragraph)
"First he (the player) must specify to his opponent if any of his independent characters left in reserve are joining a unit, in which case they will arrive together, or not in which case they will count as a seperate unit when rolling for reserves."
IC's may join any other (eligible) units in reserves. But he must do so before the game starts during deployment. Joining a unit that has become placed in reserves (skyleap) after the start of a game is not permitted.
Aside: I vote we keep it BGB, as the book I have is as grey as the v4 one, just with a lot more red on the front.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2008/07/14 11:15:55
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2008/07/14 11:37:35
Subject: Baharroth and Skyleap
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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ya BRB is WHFB DON'T YOU STEAL THAT FROM US!!!!!!!!!!
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2008/07/14 11:49:47
Subject: Baharroth and Skyleap
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Stormin' Stompa
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@Red_Lives.
Hehe.
@Lordhat.
Thats what I thought.
That is perfectly clear. It just doesn't have anything to do with what the OP asked about. He asked wether a Skyleaping unit of Swooping Hawks could be joined "in the sky" by a Skyleaping Baharroth. Skyleap occurs during the game whereas the Page 94 talks about actions before.
I don't believe he can since no rule let's him do it.
Edit. If I have misremembered the Skyleap rule, please point it out right away. This will let me pull my foot out of my mouth and apoligize a lot quicker.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/07/14 11:51:17
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"He died because he had no honor. He had no honor and the Emperor was watching."
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2008/07/14 13:34:41
Subject: Baharroth and Skyleap
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Let me point out the portion of my post that applies to the OP's question
Lordhat wrote:BGB pg. 94 (fifth paragraph)
Joining a unit that has become placed in reserves (skyleap) after the start of a game is not permitted.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2008/07/14 14:09:32
Subject: Baharroth and Skyleap
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Stormin' Stompa
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*Foot exits mouth*
I apologize. You are right and you quoted it correctly the first time around, and I missed it.
Edit. I would have like if you had highlighted the (skyleap) part as it was something you added. But in the end you were indeed right.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/07/14 14:11:23
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"He died because he had no honor. He had no honor and the Emperor was watching."
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2008/07/14 18:08:50
Subject: Re:Baharroth and Skyleap
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Sneaky Kommando
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I'll throw my vote to BGB, because I always used the color of the spine in pulling it off the self, and the 40k book still has a gray spine while the WHFB's is red.
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Moz:
You: "Hold on, you rammed, that's not a tank shock"
Me: "Ok so what is a ram, lets look at the rules."
Rulebook: "A ram is a special kind of tank shock"
You: "So it's a tank shock until it hits a vehicle, and then it's a ram, not a tank shock, and then it goes back to being a tank shock later!"
Me: "Yeah it doesn't really say any of that in here, how about we just play by what's written in here?" |
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2008/07/14 22:05:04
Subject: Baharroth and Skyleap
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
Between the Sun and the Sky
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I appreciate all the feedback. I posted, I didn't have a copy of the rulebook, and I was only informed about ICs joining units in reserve.
Thanks!
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