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Can a retinue of genestealers assault an enemy from a fleet move after the broodlord has run? (I don't beleive he has fleet) Can the broodlord assault? When I make an assault with the said squad- do I have to maintain coherency with the broodlord, or can I wait for the pile in move and cite the rule that has you move as many models as possible into base contact? Any answers are appreciated- I'm sure I'm just not looking close enough in the rules, but I can't figure it out. Thanks.

since your bound by the slowest member of the squad for movement i'd say your stuck with the broodlords rules or lack thereof.

Broodlord does not have Fleet, so while the unit can run, it cannot assault after running.

In the USR section, you'll see that some rules are lost by characters when joining units (and yes, being in a Retinue is still joining a unit). This goes for Fleet and the Broodlord as well.

Iboshi2 wrote:Can a retinue of genestealers assault an enemy from a fleet move after the broodlord has run? (I don't beleive he has fleet) Can the broodlord assault? When I make an assault with the said squad- do I have to maintain coherency with the broodlord, or can I wait for the pile in move and cite the rule that has you move as many models as possible into base contact? Any answers are appreciated- I'm sure I'm just not looking close enough in the rules, but I can't figure it out. Thanks.

According to the special rules section, page 74, all special rules marked with an (*) denote rules lost by a unit when joined by an independant character that does not have that rule.

Fleet is marked with an (*)

therefore the broodlord retinue doe NOT have fleet when joined by the broodlord, and cannot assault after a run move. If the broodlord is killed, the squad regains fleet.

EDIT: wow, ninja'ed by three people while finding the exact page number.

Actually, doesn't the Broodlord's genestealer squad not even HAVE the fleet special rule? Or are they just Genestealers chosen from the troops section?

thanks for that clarification guys- I appreciate it...

Yes- the retinue for the broodlord is just straight out of the troops choice.

so then likewise, in the unlikely event that massed fire ends up killing the broodlord before it kills all the genestealers, they'll then be fleeting right?

Spellbound wrote:Actually, doesn't the Broodlord's genestealer squad not even HAVE the fleet special rule? Or are they just Genestealers chosen from the troops section?

From the Tyranid codex... "One Broodlord & a retinue of 5-11 Genestealers (see Troops entry)."

so the Genestealers in his retinue are plain ol' Troops style Stealers w/ all the same rules & characteristics.

I was disappointed to see that this carried over from 4th (Stealers losing Fleet when w/ Broodlord). It's a fair rule; I just want to sink my claws in ASAP. However, I think I've found a new loophole to avoid the problem--although, it creates another one.

By moving the Broodlord out of coherency at the start of the turn, your Stealers all regain their Fleet rule. Use it to get them into assault in the same turn. Your Broodlord will be left hanging around, but if you infiltrate them well and play it smart, he will be behind the squad and receive a cover save when the combat is over.

Thoughts? Have I misread the coherency/character rules?

doak22 wrote:I was disappointed to see that this carried over from 4th (Stealers losing Fleet when w/ Broodlord). It's a fair rule; I just want to sink my claws in ASAP. However, I think I've found a new loophole to avoid the problem--although, it creates another one.

By moving the Broodlord out of coherency at the start of the turn, your Stealers all regain their Fleet rule. Use it to get them into assault in the same turn. Your Broodlord will be left hanging around, but if you infiltrate them well and play it smart, he will be behind the squad and receive a cover save when the combat is over.

Thoughts? Have I misread the coherency/character rules?

Problem is that your Broodlord isn't allowed to leave the unit, so he has to finish the movement phase in coherency with the 'stealers. Which puts them right where they started.

Yeah, not even close to a 'nice try'. The Broodlord can't leave the squad, so you can't move him out of coherency.

yes but technicly cant you still assualt the normal stealers as long as you keep coherancy?

No. Models do not assault; units do. For the unit to assault after running, every model in the unit must have the fleet special rule.

With the new outflanking rules for infilatrating, you could just have them come in on a table edge a little bit later in the game and wreck the enemys face. And let the Broodlord do some fighting as well.

it's not even about "every model has to have fleet" though, none of the genestealers have fleet as long as the broodlord is alive in that unit.