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Made in us
Bounding Assault Marine




Los Angeles

A revised list for Speed Freeks, based on the idea that you need at least one "fortress" or defensive unit to hold one objective.

HQ -
Big mek - KFF - 85
Wazzdakka Gutzmek -180

Troops
12 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
12 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
12 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
10 gretchin+1 Runtherd=40

Fast attack
5 Deffkoptas all w/rokkits=225
5 deffkoptas all w/ rokkits = 225

Heavy support
Battlewagon+red paint job+grot riggers+deffroller+killkannon+hardcase+4shootas=215

total:2000

the mek+grots sit in the wagon and hold an objective,

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2008/07/24 19:29:50



Not enough 殺氣 ( sorry i have to apologize i honestly dunno how to say this in english ... ) "kill aura" xD -Lunahound 
   
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Long-Range Black Templar Land Speeder Pilot




Beijing,China

killkannon-wagon occupied more than 200points,and...has only a range of...24 inches,and S7.why not take a pack of lootaz?

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Made in us
Bounding Assault Marine




Los Angeles

tokugawa wrote:killkannon-wagon occupied more than 200points,and...has only a range of...24 inches,and S7.why not take a pack of lootaz?

AV14+obscured scoring unit=scoring unit very hard to kill when not in CC

the wagon is not really intended to kill stuff, it is merely intended to hold an objective.

the bike squads will each regularily pump out 18 hits at str 5, the deffkopta's will hit the side armor of most vehicles, so the job of lootas is fulfilled by other squads in this army.

lootas don't score - only contest, and when not in area terrain die very easily. when in terrain, die less easily, but still die all the same, and with LD7 and no bosspole can't really hold an objective when subjected to concentrated shooting.

The killkannon wagon can defend itself with the killkannon and shootas, has the deffrolla for when things get close, ad if it encourages the opponent to stay away from the objective, so much the better.

it IS 340 points, which is another bike squad, and I may scrap it for that. but a scoring av14 vehicle with KFF, coud be something that pulls alot of high str fire away from the bikes and deffkoptas, leaving only small arms to deal with those squads, and those squads are very resilient to that type of fire.

though meh, maybe i'll just take 2 squads o' grots, intermix them, and have them GTG every turn, for a 3+ save, or just take another squad of bikes


Not enough 殺氣 ( sorry i have to apologize i honestly dunno how to say this in english ... ) "kill aura" xD -Lunahound 
   
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HQ
Wazzdakka Gutzmek -180

Troops
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
11 Warbikers+nob+PK=340

Total: 1750

Seems much better to me. YMMV.

   
Made in us
Bounding Assault Marine




Los Angeles

Stelek wrote:HQ
Wazzdakka Gutzmek -180

Troops
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
11 Warbikers+nob+PK=340

Total: 1750

Seems much better to me. YMMV.


I'd feel better with some ranged anti-tank/AP/FNP in there, which is why I like the deffkoptas. For 1750 I think I'd go more with something like this.

Wazzdakka Gutzmek -180

Troops
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340

Fast attack
4 Deffkoptas+ Rokkits=180
4 Deffkoptas+ Rokkits=180
4 Deffkoptas+ Rokkits=180

total=1740
I'm also considering this for 2000

Wazzdakka Gutzmek -180

Troops
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340
11 Warbikers+nob+BP+PK=340

Fast attack
5 Deffkoptas+ Rokkits=225
5 Deffkoptas+ Rokkits=225

total=1990


Not enough 殺氣 ( sorry i have to apologize i honestly dunno how to say this in english ... ) "kill aura" xD -Lunahound 
   
Made in us
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You need ranged AT why? You've already given up anything but short ranged shooting with bikers.

Are 5 Nobs and Wazzdakka not enough to wipe out tanks?

What do you foresee a need for Rokkits for that the Nobz cannot handle?


   
 
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