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Order of the Pheonix

Cannoness Henrietta (HQ) @ 135 Pts
Inferno Pistol (x1); Blessed Weapon, Cloak of Saint Aspira, Book of Saint Lucius, Jump Pack

Celestian Squad Sigma
4 Celestian Squad (Elites) @ 183 Pts
Bolter (x2); Meltagun (x2)
Elsa Veteran Sister Superior
Bolter-Meltagun
1 Immolator
Twin Heavy Flamers, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers

Celstian Squad Omega
4 Celestian Squad (Elites) @ 183 Pts
Bolter (x2); Meltagun (x2)
Petra Veteran Sister Superior
Bolter-Meltagun
1 Immolator
Twin Heavy Flamers, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers

Sister Squad Alpha
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 205 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Flamer (x1); Flamer (x1)
Angelica Veteran Sister Superior
Book of Saint Lucius
1 Rhino APC
Storm Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers

Sister Squad Beta
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 205 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Flamer (x1); Flamer (x1)
Triela Veteran Sister Superior
Book of Saint Lucius
1 Rhino APC
Storm Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers


Sister Squad Charlie
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 205 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Flamer (x1); Flamer (x1)
Claes Veteran Sister Superior
Book of Saint Lucius
1 Rhino APC
Storm Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers


Sister Squad Delta
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 205 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Flamer (x1); Flamer (x1)
Rico Veteran Sister Superior
Book of Saint Lucius
1 Rhino APC
Storm Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 205 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Flamer (x1); Flamer (x1)

Heaven's Judgement
1 Exorcist (Heavy Support) @ 143 Pts
Exorcist Missile Launcher
Extra Armour [5]
Smoke Launchers [3]

Fyre Rayne
1 Exorcist (Heavy Support) @ 143 Pts
Exorcist Missile Launcher
Extra Armour
Smoke Launchers

Firey Wrath
1 Exorcist (Heavy Support) @ 143 Pts
Exorcist Missile Launcher
Extra Armour
Smoke Launchers

Starting Faith: 8

Models in Army: 60


Total Army Cost: 1750

Been working on Sisters slowly for awhile converting models and doing headswaps and what not to make them unique. Getting fairly close to done other then I haven't done the Celestian Squads yet. Not sure if I going to keep them. I think Sisters of Battle are a pretty good army for 5th with the amazingness of dual flamer squads with acts of faith and decent anti tank options.

Fluff
Not written yet but the name was because yes I do like Harry Potter and the Pheonix is a creature reborn of fire and this army has many flamers with acts of faith to live a long time.

Unit Choice Explainations
HQ
Cannoness Henrietta is equiped for tank and character hunting with Jetpack, inferno pistol and blessed weapon. Still have the book in case I want to stick near a squad for the leadership bonus.

Elites
Squads Omega and Sigma are armed with melta guns for tank hunting. Veteran Superior gets a combi melta to get another melta shot. Sure its oneshot but this Squad functions like Fire Dragoons they kill a tank and likely die afterwards. They are mounted in a Immolator so hopefully when the tank is destroyed the Immolator can burn who ever pops out with its flamers. Sure 3 Melta's is not as reliable as a squad of 5 or 6 Fire Dragons but on average rolls 2 out of 3 hit. You should penetrate most vehicles on average rolls of 2d6 and then with ap1 you destroy on a 4+ so on average you should get a vehicle destroyed. I have wiffed and not destroyed the vehicle but that is a risk. So far these squads have worked out more then they wiffed. Meltas are the only reliable way to kill a Landraider or Mononlith and are good against AV13 tanks that hide in cover that it might be difficult to kill them with Exorcists. The Immolator has the mandatory extra armor and smokes that are required for transport survivability and delivering cargo. Verdict is still up in the air for this unit but they seem to be pulling their weight so far. Sometimes they do fail to destroy a tank but what can you do.

Troops
Squads Alpha through Delta are mounted in Rhinos and armed with Heavy Flamer and flamer instead of the old melta from 4th edition. Under 5th edition flamers are resolved at the same time so you get the maximum wounds out of them. Rhinos have the mandatory extra armor and smokes. I do not feel the Evisorator is worth the points. If I had them I could not fit in the Celestian Squads for additional anti tank. 4 scoring units is pretty good. I guess I could get 5 squads with Evisorators but Meltagun units seem to be necessary against Landraiders and Monoliths.

Heavy Support
3 Exorcists provide long range anti tank and fire support. They can be slightly unreliable if you roll badly hence I have Celestian Melta squads as well for anti tank. They too get the required extra armor and smokes. They can move 12 and still fire their missle launcher so if something threatens them they can move away.

Matchups so far

Chaos dual lash prince + oblits
My boyfriend beat me twice times. He is a better general then I am and his list is just tough. There are just too many threats between 3 squads of 3 Obliterators, 2 lash princes and noise marines in Rhinos with the doom siren ap3 flamer. I am losing vehicles and then he just drives up with his ap3 flamer. Didn't help that my Exorcist missle rolls were on the low side. I feel that with d6 average 3.5 shots str 8 ap1 shots I should be wining the duel against Obliterators since ap1 kills them unless they make their cover or invulnerable and they need to pen av13 and get a 5 or 6 and get past my cover save to kill my exorcists. Having to avoid close combat with monster princes if possible makes it difficult as well.

Eldar footsloggers
Matchup is not to bad if they don't have Eldrad. Dual flamers really kills their troops easily. Just have to watch out for the Avatar and take out their Wraith lords or anti tank quickly. Harlequins can also be a problem. Have to back up your forces so some other unit can come and kill the Harlequins after they eat one of your squads. Game I played I massacred the Eldar with only the Avatar and some Dark Reapers left on the board.

Sisters Mech almost mirror match
Very unfluffy but my friend she plays sisters and insisted on playing. She tends to spend alot of points on Seraphim and extras like dozer blades, pintle mounted stubbers and evisorators. Really was a dice fest on who's exorcists got a good number of missles. Also big game of Cat and Mouse trying to get our vehicles in position trying not to be the first to disembark and then moving to protect our squads that had to disembark from destroyed vehicles. I did squeak out a win in the end. I had extra squad compared to her spending points on Seraphim evisorators, stubbers, and dozerblades. My Celestian Squads made straight for her Exorcists and I was able to destroy one and force her to disembark troops to kill my Celestians and I contered with the immolator flamers.

Tau Mech
Boyfriend beat me again. The 4+ save for tanks not in cover but > 12+ away is just mean. He did get the first turn and take out two Exorcists on the first two turns. One was not in cover. Maybe I should be starting stuff in reserve. I don't like waiting for it to come in though. Railguns just seemed alot more consistent then the Exorcist Missles. He also got good shots on the Immolators carrying the melta squads and it was down hill from there.

Tyranid balanced
Really depends on your Exorcist missle rolls. If you get some good rolls and get out enough shots to kill their Synapse monsterous creatures quickly the rest of the army folds quickly. Flamers just destroy tyranids troops and non monsterous creatures. I played two games so far against Tyranids with this list and killed them to the last bug once and the other game there was one Tyrant monsterous creature left.

I would like to get in some games against Marine armies and Green tide as well as mech eldar. Anyone here play on Vassal?

So what do you think?

Snape kills Dumbledore

(Sorry, the subject line did it)

You do not kill tanks with Exorcists in V5.

You kill them with Meltaguns.

You have 4.

Flamers are neat, but you do not have an Immolator army so bring meltaguns instead.

Sisters in squads of 10 can kill enemy troops, you do not need those flamers.

The old Sisters lists (like this one) are outdated, you need to focus less on Exorcists and more on more Sisters in vehicles.

The Veteran Superiors in the Melta squad have a combi melta. I know it is one shot but its 3 melta shots against the first tank you shoot at. Living beyond that is questionable but they die and give me another faith point thats fine too.

I know Exorcists are terrible against AV14 and not so good against av13 and dependent on dice sometimes but they sure look really pretty the organist ones and can be really effective if you roll well.

What do you recommend? Dropping a scoring unit of sisters for another Celestian Squad with meltas or adding Meltas instead of the flamer to the troop squads?

Combi-meltas are not required in Sisters armies. You get 2 special weapon choices per squad.

If you are going to keep the Exorcists, you might at least try a melta/heavy flamer combo and see how you like it. I favor double meltas, but many players swear by the HF/MG combo.

Don't know why you have Vet Sisters in your Celestian units, and your Canoness says 'kill me' because she's running around by herself.

WallWeasels
I like Mech. Not sure if I want to spend the money on the extra Sisters to play horde. I played Eldar too long cause I keep thinking move 12 and fire.

Ixe
Ended up going heavy flamer melta and it seems to be pretty good so far. Actually considering going dual melta with 2 of the sisters squads and leaving the other two flamer melta.

Played some more games.

Current list is now
Canoness Henrietta (HQ) @ 299 Pts
Inferno Pistol (x1); Blessed Weapon, Cloak of Saint Aspira, Book of Saint Lucius, Frag Grenades
Celestian Bodyguard
4 Celestian Squad (Elites) @ 183 Pts
Bolter (x2); Meltagun (x2)
Elsa Veteran Sister Superior
Bolter-Meltagun
1 Immolator
Twin Heavy Flamers, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers

Celstian Squad Omega
4 Celestian Squad (Elites) @ 183 Pts
Bolter (x2); Meltagun (x2)
Petra Veteran Sister Superior
Bolter-Meltagun
1 Immolator
Twin Heavy Flamers, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers

Sister Squad Alpha
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 209 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1)
Angelica Veteran Sister Superior
Book of Saint Lucius
1 Rhino APC
Storm Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers

Sister Squad Beta
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 209 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1)
Triela Veteran Sister Superior
Book of Saint Lucius
1 Rhino APC
Storm Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers


Sister Squad Charlie
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 209 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Flamer (x1); Meltgun (x1)
Claes Veteran Sister Superior
Book of Saint Lucius
1 Rhino APC
Storm Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers


Sister Squad Delta
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 209 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1)
Rico Veteran Sister Superior
Book of Saint Lucius
1 Rhino APC
Storm Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 205 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Flamer (x1); Flamer (x1)

Heaven's Judgement
1 Exorcist (Heavy Support) @ 143 Pts
Exorcist Missile Launcher
Extra Armour [5]
Smoke Launchers [3]

Fyre Rayne
1 Exorcist (Heavy Support) @ 143 Pts
Exorcist Missile Launcher
Extra Armour
Smoke Launchers

Firey Wrath
1 Exorcist (Heavy Support) @ 143 Pts
Exorcist Missile Launcher
Extra Armour
Smoke Launchers

Starting Faith: 8

Models in Army: 60


Total Army Cost: 1747

I tried Seraphim in place of Celestians and I really didn't like them. Even if placed in cover they attracted a lot of fire being the only squad not in a vehicle. The Seraphim getting killed by the Noise Marines with the Doom Siren was their low point. They just seem pretty expensive and they tended to die fast.

Ended up going with flamer and melta for now for the sisters squads although running two of them with two Meltas is sounding like a good idea given my difficulty with the multiple landraiders.

Stuck the Cannoness with a Celestian Squad in the end. She was with Seraphim for a couple games but got killed so the Celestian squad it was.

Newly tested match ups.

Mech Eldar - this game I had seraphim which he targeted droping his dire avengers near them so I countered with a flamer sister squad. I managed to drop one falcon with fire dragons in it before it delivered them the second dropped fire dragons which toasted a Rhino and the sisters got out and killed those dragons. The Harlequins killed one of my squads but I just rapid fired and burned them to death with another squad. Managed to wipe out most of his army by turn 5 when it ended. Still had 2 troops squads left.

Chaos Marines rematch
lost again. Lousy Exorcist rolls and Seraphim did nothing except get killed by doom siren. This time I did concentrate on his troops and managed to kill them except for the Plague Marines. He changed up his list now. He managed to kill all my troops. Plague Marines are tough and I really hate doom sirens.

Nidzilla
burned all his troop choices and did a darn good job killing most of his monsterous creatures. Exorcists were getting lots of shots.

Grey Knights Terminators and Land Raiders oh my
He had a very well painted army. I felt bad playing with unpainted Celestian squad. I had dumped the unpainted Seraphim by this point. Melta squads rushed forward but his land raiders poped smoke so that left me with a really difficult decision whether to get out or not. I decided not to since all my troops were in vehicles if he assaulted I would be able to pop out of the vehicle and rapid fire him next turn. He did assault my rhinos with troops inside and had a second unit by them to assault my sisters. which was fine by me because his terminators were in the open to get killed by the exorcists. I think he might have miscalculated thinking he would take more then a turn to kill my sisters melta squad. I managed to pop a land raider with the canonesses's squad, managed to eek out a win just because I had more squads to counter his moves and kill his.

Orcs and Goblins Green tide
Flamers really won this day along with acts of faith to stay alive. boy friend is new with this army so he clumped up too much which made it easy. Won't be so easy next time.

Thoughts
I been thinking would it be worth it to drop a Sister Squad and for like 230 points get Inducted Imperial Guard Platoon to fit in 3 Las cannons and 3 scoring units. They are all BS3 and it gives up 3 more KP and I am already kp heavy with my vehicles. Anyone try this? It does break up the pure sisters list but if it helps my anti tank it might be worth it. Not always easy getting Meltas within 6 inches of the tank you want to blow up and then smoke launchers puts a dent in it especially since you can't have 6 meltas like eldar can with fire dragons.

Other thoughts were going 2 meltaguns in two of the sisters squads. I still have 2 heavy flamers that way and the immolators.

You have so many points wasted on useless wargear it's beyond comprehension.

You know Canoness cannot be targeted via shooting or CC, right?

Combi-weapons give you flex once, but since you have to get out of your transports if they move at cruising speed in order to fire...what good are they really?

Combi-flamers, maybe. Combi-meltas? If you need meltas (and you DO), use the special slots for those.

I'd put Multimeltas on those two Immolators before I put IG into a mech Sister force.

So what war gear should I drop other then the combi meltas? Combi Melta sounds good math wise. 3 Melta shots average 2 hit with BS4, then with AP1 average of 1 will get a destroyed result.

Also what to do with the points? can't really afford much with those points.

Another idea, I was thinking about was Grey knight allies for psychic hood for psycher defense and psycannons since demons really killed me badly.

Contrary to what Stelek says, the Exorcist still makes an excellent tank killer in 5E. In fact, it is better than a lascannon - due to the AP1 bonus.

It does not kill AV14 very well though (but neither does a lascannon).

Light tanks, yes. Heavy tanks, not so much.

Wait, Lascannons don't kill tanks?

Ok, any tank other than a Land Raider or Monolith.

Because any other tank can be maneuvered to side shots.

And no, lascannons do not kill AV14 anymore... 3.7% chance of doing so.

If you take out the VSS in the celestian units (and their combi meltas), all the books of St. Lucius except the one on the canoness, and the smoke and extra armor on the exorcists, I think that gives you enough free points for 5 Inquisitorial Stormtroopers with 2 meltas in a rhino (about 100 points and change). That's another scoring unit, or sacrificial tank-killer, or speedbump unit for basically free points from wargear you don't need.

"But why," you ask, "should I buy ISTs when sisters are only one point more?" The answer is because you have to buy 10 sisters minimum--rather than the IST 5--at a starting cost of close to 200 points with rhino and meltas.

That's crazy talk.

My lascannons motto is one shot, one kill.

Avariel wrote:Fluff
Not written yet but the name was because yes I do like Harry Potter

Meh!

and the Pheonix is a creature reborn of fire and this army has many flamers with acts of faith to live a long time.

Yay!

Ok, that aside, I'm a big fan of specialization and that seems to be what your are mostly doing with the army. However, you may want to consider putting melta guns in one of the basic sisters squads instead of the flamers. That will give you a little extra anti tank power at the cost of some anti troop power. Other than that, the list looks to be both effective and fluffy.

The Melta storm trooper squad sounds like a decent idea.

If I swap the Cannoness Infernal Pistol for a Bolter, remove the Canoness's Cloak and Remove the Veteran Sister Superiors in the Celestian Squads with the Combi Meltas I am 11 points short of affording the Inquisition Storm Trooper Squad with 2 Meltas in a Rhino with Smoke and Extra Armor.

The Book of Saint Lucius is necessary to pass leadership checks to ensure my Sisters Squads stay around so I don't want to cut them.

Extra Armor is necessary on vehicles getting stunned and not being able to move is not good. Smoke Launchers also help if you need to move to get to another firing position.

I can afford the Storm Trooper Squad if I cut Extra Armor on the Exorcists too but is that really worth it? Would hate to get stunned and blown up.

I have found that an Eviscerator is more useful than a blessed weapon. Since the Canoness has a retinue, you can use it like a hidden fist. Drop two of the smoke launchers on the exorcists and you get your 11 points.

I forgot that I dropped the Blessed Weapon to to try and make points so that wouldn't work. I could drop the Extra Armor on the Exorcists to get 15 points though or drop the smoke launchers on the exorcists and not have smoke launchers on the Inquisition Storm Trooper Rhino.

You cannot kill the enemy in CC.

Don't try.

Focus on maximizing your short range shooting.

That is how you win games with Sisters.

Well here is my latest list. I got rid of all the extra wargear and fit in another celestian squad. The ISTs are cheaper and scoring but Celestians give me another faith and I'd rather keep it all Sisters. Couldn't find enough points to get them an immolator so a Rhino will have to do.

Canoness Henrietta (HQ) @ 210 Pts
Bolter, Book of Saint Lucius

Celestian Bodyguard Squad Sigma
4 Celestian Bodyguard @ [158] Pts
Bolter (x2); Meltagun (x2)
Sister Superior Elsa
1 Immolator
Twin Heavy Flamers, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers

Celestian Squad Omega
4 Celestian Squad (Elites) @ 158 Pts
Bolter (x2); Meltagun (x2)
Sister Superior Petra
1 Immolator
Twin Heavy Flamers, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers

Celestian Squad Tango
4 Celestian Squad (Elites) @ 143 Pts
Bolter (x2); Meltagun (x2)
Sister Superior Mina
1 Rhino APC
Storm Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers

Sister Squad Alpha
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 209 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1)
Claes Veteran Sister Superior
Book of Saint Lucius
1 Rhino APC
Storm Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers

Sister Squad Beta
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 209 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1)
Triela Veteran Sister Superior
Book of Saint Lucius
1 Rhino APC
Storm Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers


Sister Squad Charlie
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 209 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1)
Angelica Veteran Sister Superior
Book of Saint Lucius
1 Rhino APC
Storm Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers


Sister Squad Delta
9 Battle Sisters Squad (Troops) @ 207 Pts
Bolter (x7); Meltagun (x2)
Rico Veteran Sister Superior
Book of Saint Lucius
1 Rhino APC
Storm Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers


Heaven's Judgement
1 Exorcist (Heavy Support) @ 135 Pts
Exorcist Missile Launcher

Fyre Rayne
1 Exorcist (Heavy Support) @ 135 Pts
Exorcist Missile Launcher

Firey Wrath
1 Exorcist (Heavy Support) @ 135 Pts
Exorcist Missile Launcher

Starting Faith: 9
Models in Army: 66
Total Army Cost: 1750

Had a terrible game against mech Dark Eldar going second is terrible. Not enough terrain to hide all the vehicles and dark lance spam really kills vehicles fast leaving you have to walk where Witches are a problem if they get the assault and disintegrators really hurt. didn't help that she rolled 3 hits on disinegrator scatter that wiped a whole squad. Did alot better against them with Eldar or Tyranids. Any ideas on what to do against mech dark eldar?

Either the points cost or the name appears to be off for your Squad Tango - are they Dominions or Celestians? If Dominions, why no VSS?

Thanks for the catch fixed it. Don't know why I wrote Dominon. home with a 100 degree fever so meh.

Properly built Mech Dark Eldar that go first table pretty much every army in the game.

So what do you suggest doing or changing against mech Dark Eldar?

Hope they don't show up.

Sisters are terribly outmatched by dark eldar, because your range = junk and theirs = lots. Plus they punch harder than you do, and though they are softies you can't punch them back.