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So, with 5th out now I wanted to try to keep my Mech Eldar. Troops are the only ones that can capture objectives, but others may still contest. I really didn't want to add in a Farseer due to points. Also, I don't see the need in Doom or Guide, since the Prisms roll with blast markers, and the DA's will be further away. Shining Spears give some add CC that is needed.

So here is the List, let me know what to add and change

Autarch - 130pts
Jetbike
Laser Lance
Mandiblasters

Jetbike Squad (4) - 88pts

Jetbike Squad (4) - 88pts

Dire Avengers (10) - 262pts
Exarch w/ Twin Catapults
Bladestorm
- Wave Serphent
Twin-Shuriken Cannons
Spirit Stones

Dire Avengers (10) - 262pts
Exarch w/ Twin Catapults
Bladestorm
- Wave Serphent
Twin-Shuriken Cannons
Spirit Stones

Shining Spears (5) - 175pts

Fire Prism - 160pts
Halo-fields
Spirit Stones

Fire Prism - 160pts
Halo-fields
Spirit Stones

Fire Prism - 160pts
Halo-fields
Spirit Stones

I know it's a low model count. The Jetbikes are really just for objectives. DA's will try to hold or contest them. Pumping out 22 shots at BS4 can hold off a unit. With Bladestorm they dish out 32. The Spears lead the charge from a flank. The Autarch will ride with them. I'll be using the old re-deploy tactic. Turbo Boost my entire army to a flank and deal with the enemy as they come. I know the Prisms are cheese, and I hate to use them. With the Falcons only BS3 though, they dont appeal to me. Plus with the new blast rules, they are too sweet to pass up Let me know what you think

The Jetbike and SS squads are a fluffy choice, but game-wise are not really great.
The Jetbikers will be annihilated by small arms fire, while the SS squad can only take one small squads due to the counter-strike rule.
Moreover, Jetbikers can hardly be hidden unless you play with TLOS.
I would drop them and replace them by another DA squad in a Serpent.

I know there is a big problem with the Jetbikes. Only T4 and a 12" range makes them really soft. But the idea was to force enemy units off the objective while the Jetbikes hide around the board. Turbo boost them almost every turn, and take an objective on the last turn, or contest it.

The Shining Spears should be okay for the first round of combat. The Autarch gets 5 S6 attacks and each Spear gets 2 S6 attacks on a charge. They are okay, not good enough to charge a CC unit, but will work for a flank.

Plus I needed a unit for the Autarch to join.

The jetbikes are maneuverable enough to hide, even if it is away from an objective, and still reach one in a single movement turn. Plus they can turbo boost behind low model count armies like chaos and force them to leave troops on objectives back in their zone.

The trick with spears is to keep them away from large CC units. Small CC units like 5 man termies or a fex can be wiped out easily before striking back. Also, don't ram them into the center of the enemy force unsupported, or they will kill one unit then eat tons of fire.

Yeah 5th ed is very brutal on Shining spears. The lack of terrain to hide behind makes them almost always a viable target for "opportunistic" las cannons and such. The inclusion of counter attack to every unit also means that you have to be VERY picky in choosing who to charge.

I wouldn't have ran them in the middle in 4th, let alone 5th. Keeping them along a flank is how they've always pulled thier weight.

My only problem is the low model count. If I loose the cannon on the Prisms, then I could always just Tank Shock. My concern is that they'll either hit home, or get left home.

Any ideas?

As an Orc player with the new and generous codex,

I'm thinking that your list is perfect just as it is, and we will eat you for breakfast!

You better be able to hide all those bikes somewhere because give us a glimpse and Lootas will nail you everywhere, and the Wave serpents, and what's in them and probably the prisms too! Tank shock us PLEASE! You'll have so many rokkits in you rear you'll wonder what happened!

I bought the Eldar codex and I'm trying and trying to find a way that you can make a list that can nail orks, but Eldar keep getting too small a model count. How can you sneak around when the enemy can infiltrate in from your board edge and shoot rokkits into the rear of stationery things?????

How can you run around when lootas with just a little luck can throw up so many S7 dice at you?

Against orks you can't just sneak up and jump out and shoot up one unit of troops without about three more nailing you in the next turn of counter attack!

Buggies can scoot as fast as you and twin linked Rokkits can nail anything you got so orks can just hold board, wait for you to show your pointy heads while their own fast units go hunting! Or buggies with big shooters have plenty of shooting range and speed to easily smoke out any eldar bike heads!

I can't say how you'll fare against other lists. Against orks though you have huge problems, because your best units: The Fire Prisms cost so much that the orks have plenty of points to run countermeasures in the form of Kommandos and Rokkit buggies in big numbers.

Curious if there is something Eldar can do against orks right now, maybe something with Wraithlords and those double flamers! Maybe guardians in Wave serpents with a warlock and destructor gives you the heavy Flamer template you need. But the problem is always the point cost and the constant threat of LOOTAS!

It is hard to scout around an army that has enough models to dominate the board and has S8 weapons right through it, heaps of wounds and its own fast scouts.

Assaulting is often not a good option because once you break one squad the amount of fire and the size of the counter attack is going to really make a mess.

And if you wait for them, they might just decide to go after you in a Waargh....run move that is as fast as the Eldar can be!

This army isn't focused.

You have no real CC ability.

You don't have a anvil unit to hold the enemy in CC while your hammer runs in and out of it.

You also don't have reliable troops.

I am very confused by the wave serpents. Why do you need them?

I didn't make the list just for Orks. To be honest, I've only played a few games against and really dont know what they have to offer. Not many Ork players where I live.

@Stelek, with the new rules against CC, I didn't add much to the list. Not being able to hit one unit to another really hurts when most of your CC units are T3 with a 5+ or 4+.

I was using the serphents as transports. DA's were a choice, but foot slogging them wasn't.

@Orc Town Grot, Yes Eldar can be set up to beat the new Orks but they will not do it in an all-comers RTT list.

If I knew I was playing Orcs, my list would look like this;

Eldrad
Farseer (spirit stones, doom guide)

10 striking scorpions Exarch with chainsabres
10 striking scorpions Exarch with chainsabres
10 striking scorpions Exarch with chainsabres

10 Dire Avengers Exarch with bladestorm
10 Dire Avengers Exarch with bladestorm

10 Warpspiders Exarc with 2 spinners and withdraw

3 warwalkers with scatterlaser
3 warwalkers with scatterlaser
3 warwalkers with scatterlaser

This list is 1957 and will blow and Ork horde army off the table.

BTW, Is that Guderians picture as your avatar?