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In a tactics thread Kadun wrote:




I've played a few dozen games of 5th now I must say that elevated positions have a nice way of getting no cover shots against enemy units. My LGS has a large amount of three storied ruins terrain. From six inches up, you can easily fire over intervening squads and other small obstructions.

Also, when firefights do get to double tap range, the Plasma Gun still mows down MEQ's and termies better than anything else.

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IMO this will NOT negate cover saves. yes, you will be able to trace a LOS to an enemy unit as on page 16 over walls. BUT, on page 21 'When are Models in Cover' it states taht 'When any part of a target models body is obscured from the point of view of the firer, the target model is in cover.' Also, 'If a target is partially hidden from the firer's view by other models it receives a 4+ cover save'

I see arguments coming, but while you may be able to see the heads of enemy units from a building, if you can't see their torso as well, especially due to intervening troops, they still get their cover. As an example, take a line of orks, unit A, and put a second line of orks, unit B directly behind and touching unit B. Unit B is going to et the intervening model cover save against any building that does not tower over the units from a very close, as opposed to a long range.....

I would say you are over-thinking and literalizing the rule.

Not being able to hit a model without it being in cover because you are directly or nearly directly above it and thus only see the shoulders & head? Remember that models in the same unit do do block LOS to each other, so this really should not be part of the issue.

cover save from being shot at from above... wow that seems like a very creative interpretation to me!

I'm not sure I understand the question.

The quote just says that an elevated position can be used to cleanly draw LOS over intervening units and low terrain, which it absolutely can in the right situations.

Nothing in that quote suggests being elevated *always* means you will be able to see over intervening units/terrain, just that you can (which is true).

So yeah, if any part of the target is obscured behind terrain or an intervening unit it gets its cover save. But if the building is high enough and there is enough space between the two units there is absolutely potential to fire over an intervening unit/terrain piece.

yakface wrote:
I'm not sure I understand the question.

The quote just says that an elevated position can be used to cleanly draw LOS over intervening units and low terrain, which it absolutely can in the right situations.

Nothing in that quote suggests being elevated *always* means you will be able to see over intervening units/terrain, just that you can (which is true).

So yeah, if any part of the target is obscured behind terrain or an intervening unit it gets its cover save. But if the building is high enough and there is enough space between the two units there is absolutely potential to fire over an intervening unit/terrain piece.

yakface has correctly articulated what I was trying to say. I've seen elevated Eldar Pathfinders and Imperial Lascannon teams used to great effect.